Cameo or Peach?

[Rosa moschata]

I throw this out there for your comments Christopher. There are actually many combinations of colors that have been worked on and exist and way more work has been done with combining sex linked colors than is published. There is now some thought that "crossover" really occurs much more frequently than one would be lead to believe or that the chromosome contributed by a male bird is actually composed of portions of both male chromosomes instead of a single chromosome. Do you follow? This would mean that a bird could be easily split to two sex linked colors.

Crossover is very common -- that it occurs among a particular pair and between two particular points is subject to chance. There are many examples in other species of mutations existing on the same chromosome linking together or separating as a result of crossover. The "thought" that peafowl sex chromosomes deviate from the ZW system observed in other birds has me puzzled -- I have never come across any published study. Who is "thinking" this? Or are you saying that the Z passed on in sperm is often a newly-formed combination of different parts from the pair? That is the basic definition of crossover, allowing for further genetic diversity in offspring.

 

[KsKingBee]

So what are my chances of getting a peach if I mate my Purple cock to my Cameo hens?

 

[Rosa moschata]

So what are my chances of getting a peach if I mate my Purple cock to my Cameo hens?

In the first generation, none. But take a son from that breeding and pair him with any female. Most of his daughters will be Purple or Cameo, but a few will be Peach.

 

[KsKingBee]

In the first generation, none. But take a son from that breeding and pair him with any female. Most of his daughters will be Purple or Cameo, but a few will be Peach.

ANY female? It doesn't have to be of any particular color female?

 

[DylansMom]

ANY female? It doesn't have to be of any particular color female?

It won't matter in daughters, but I believe the sons will be affected by the hen's color. So if you breed to an IB hen, the sons will be IB split to the fathers color/s. I think.

 

[KsKingBee]

It won't matter in daughters, but I believe the sons will be affected by the hen's color. So if you breed to an IB hen, the sons will be IB split to the fathers color/s. I think.

One of us are confused. I meant breeding the son form a Purple cock to Cameo hen mating. To ANY particular color hen. Rosa said any colored hen but I was thinking that a particular colored hen would give best results in colored offspring. Hoping for max number of Peaches of any sex.

 

[DylansMom]

One of us are confused. I meant breeding the son form a Purple cock to Cameo hen mating. To ANY particular color hen. Rosa said any colored hen but I was thinking that a particular colored hen would give best results in colored offspring. Hoping for max number of Peaches of any sex.

Breed a Purple male and a Cameo hen, keep and grow out a son. That son should be split to both Cameo and Purple. Breed him to a hen of any color and you will get Purple daughters, Cameo daughters, and some Peach Daughters, because those are all sex linked colors. You will not get any sex-linked colored sons unless both parents are carrying the sex-linked color genes. So if the hen you breed that first male to is IB you will get all IB sons that are split to one of the sex-linked colors. If you breed him to another sex-linked colored hen, Purple or Cameo, I am not sure what your chances of getting Peach sons would be. This is where it gets confusing for me.

 

[KsKingBee]

Breed a Purple male and a Cameo hen, keep and grow out a son. That son should be split to both Cameo and Purple. Breed him to a hen of any color and you will get Purple daughters, Cameo daughters, and some Peach Daughters, because those are all sex linked colors. You will not get any sex-linked colored sons unless both parents are carrying the sex-linked color genes. So if the hen you breed that first male to is IB you will get all IB sons that are split to one of the sex-linked colors. If you breed him to another sex-linked colored hen, Purple or Cameo, I am not sure what your chances of getting Peach sons would be. This is where it gets confusing for me.

When you say it like that it makes that $2500 for a pair of Peach Silver Pied sound almost reasonable.

 

[Arbor]

Breed a Purple male and a Cameo hen, keep and grow out a son. That son should be split to both Cameo and Purple. Breed him to a hen of any color and you will get Purple daughters, Cameo daughters, and some Peach Daughters, because those are all sex linked colors. You will not get any sex-linked colored sons unless both parents are carrying the sex-linked color genes. So if the hen you breed that first male to is IB you will get all IB sons that are split to one of the sex-linked colors. If you breed him to another sex-linked colored hen, Purple or Cameo, I am not sure what your chances of getting Peach sons would be. This is where it gets confusing for me.

A son split both purple and cameo will not guarantee peach daughters. You may breed this male for his entire life without producing a single peach daughter.

When you say it like that it makes that $2500 for a pair of Peach Silver Pied sound almost reasonable.  

Reasonable in the pea industry is defined differently by every person. I get satisfaction from breeding the birds that I want to eventually end up with. I figure my time and cost of raising more than one generation is more reasonable than paying for $2500 for a pair that I could achieve through breeding in less than 8 yrs

 

[DylansMom]

A son split both purple and cameo will not guarantee peach daughters. You may breed this male for his entire life without producing a single peach daughter.
Reasonable in the pea industry is defined differently by every person. I get satisfaction from breeding the birds that I want to eventually end up with. I figure my time and cost of raising more than one generation is more reasonable than paying for $2500 for a pair that I could achieve through breeding in less than 8 yrs

That was what I thought( no guarantees), but in a previous post Rosa Moschata seemed pretty sure that Peaches would be produced.