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I didn't mean for anyone to believe blogs or non-credible sources, just the legal sites, city/legal information and so forth.. not to mention the statements & documents provided online by vets, trainers and like I said, even on Cesars site.

I can't see why NG would take it off the air because of those things, one has nothing to do with the other, and as long as america loves cesar and ratings are up... there is no reason to take a top show off the air... there is always a disclaimer
 
No, NG hasn't pulled the show despite the lawsuits. He's still marketable. How many people who watch the show know, or care?

In dog training circles it's common knowledge but then so are his methods.

There isn't anything technically WRONG with considering a dog a family member.

The problem begins when the dog is not respected as it is, a dog. With all the good things dogs are and what they NEED to learn from humans.

They need rules, structure, information and teaching. Dogs have no gene for house breaking. That's a human concept and we have to TEACH it, somehow.

When they go untaught, or worse, allowed to rear themselves, do the thinking and leading then YEP all heck breaks loose.

People should think. People should train. People should respect dogs, for what they are - generally better than us.

Why can a dog in one house sleep on the bed and have no problems. In another home the dog sleeping on the bed is a screaming spoiled tyrant?

Because in the home with no problems often there are other rules, structure and exercise and in the problem home there isn't.

Humans teach dogs things when they're paying attention. More often they teach dogs when they AREN'T.

What the marketable Mr. Milan is doing is helping people who weren't thinking and weren't paying attention to what they did with their hands and their mouths and their time to THINK about what they praise, what they pet the dog FOR and when, to exercise and otherwise consider the dog as a creature with needs, for leadership and for direction and for thought.

Aka, grow a brain. It'd be nice if we didn't need someone who has some poor methods and some bad advice to reach people who haven't much thought before about actually training the dog/s they live with.

He's worth way too much money for them to let a little thing like lawsuits get in the way.

And like the Monks, the harm he does is arguably outweighed to some minor degree by getting some people to think and train. What is four or six dogs over the hundreds he may have kept out of shelters?

Though I doubt the people with injured and dead dogs feel that way. It's the truth.

Dress the dog up, let it sleep in the bed. Talk baby talk. It would make me barf but it's not harmful - IF you also teach, lead and train and respect the dog as a dog then do as you please.

What's wrong isn't inclusion. It's denial of the dog the respect it's owed and the leadership it needs because it IS a different species.

There are better methods, better teachers and cleaner paths to leadership out there if anyone is interested in them please GO FOR IT.

Shiela Booth writes an amazing set of books that is started out for competition obedience but they totally rock as leadership and positive training books like few others. There are others, it sounds like others here know some of them.

Pat Burnham wrote "Play Training Your Dog." Yes, play works, works well.

After all leadership is about cooperative training, and play is an ultimate cooperation.

A good place to explore clicker training is:

http://www.clickersolutions.com/

Anyone can offer you a METHOD. Some are good, some are bad, some so-so.

If you can find that trainer, or book or web group that will not just tell you what to do, or what to think, but WHY things work or don't and teach or don't, THEN you have the tools to be your own trainer and you don't need anybody's method.

Then you see a new method and a new trainer and you take only the tools that have value to you.

Avoid the KOOLAID.

Take only what does no harm and makes sense.
 
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She is just now 12 months old. Thanks for the advice, I've been trying with her but I've just never been on the same "wavelength" as cats
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First thing to do with kitty is figure out what kind of distractionary discipline will work for her.. I don't think that's a techinical term or anything, but that's what I call it.

In our house, we have two sounds, one for dogs, one for cats, and they sound so similar, but the animals know the difference. They know because in the beginning, I addressed them directly (dogs) or moved toward them (cats) while making the sound. For dogs its the basic Cesar sound, the correction my own grandmother gave me, and if the situation is more emergent than the Stillwell "AH AH AH" and occassionally in a flurry I'll hollar "HEY" at them across the yard for instance.. the dogs of course and they know...

the cats get a PSST sound... a loud one, and if it's more emergent they get a series of PSSST PSSST PSSSTs until they cease the behavior.

You have to choose your own discipline sounds, but you get the idea... they are simple and short, and are not normally used in life. I really recommend the pssst for cats, for those who don't have any other idea. I don't recommend any particular words, other than maybe NO but cats don't seem to speak that language too well
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We also have a discipline bottle... a spray bottle with water, nozzle set to emit a stream. Works to reinforce the sound on some if you cannot approach the animal (or in my case are across the room from me while i work).. aim for the hind quarters NEVER their faces. This also works with some dogs/puppies. Eventually the discipline water collects dust until we integrate a new animal to the mix.

Other things that can accompany your own discipline sounds (because eventually you want them to respond only to your short and quiet "reminders")
Rattles.. baby rattles, cans with pennies or beads to make a rattle
Hand clapping, albeit this is my least favorite because I try to avoid anything that would occur naturally in their environment
Some cats are particularly alarmed by certain squeaky toys as well if you have one or two of those lying around

you need to experiment with sounds (reasonable ones) until your cat takes notice, real notice.. as in freezes in her tracks to look. That sound will work, for a while at least. Use that one. Always have it at the ready during training (which is 24 hours a day), and when the cat does something undesirable, make your discipline sound, PSSSSSSST (long in the start) and use the noise or discipline water and approach her slowly until she ceases or gets off the object.

its NEVER IMO like dog training really, because cats are independant free thinkers... we keep them in homes, unlike their normal habitats and we coop them up and want to dull their instincts. So I try to remember that and respect them and compromise. Here are my limits, and they are reasonable so I expect you to comply. Period. I am willing to get scratched, bit or hurt to achieve my goals, what I am NOT willing to do is live with an unreasonable animal of ANY species. This is OUR house, and we must all live on friendly terms and respect eachothers space.

You can try to start with this kind of discipline, even though the cat isn't yet socialized. It just might learn to respect you and your things and with time come around.

I would also try to limit, not remove, the kittys time with the dog and instead force her to be in a room with people. NOT people who insist she pay attention to them, people who are willing to sit and wait for months even for her to decide they are worthy of paying attention to. Building a trust relationship often starts with plain old bribery too... canned cat food on a plate on the floor in front of you. If the cat is even willing to take the food then your off to a great start. You need to spend some time getting into her mind.. if she's just wild time will fix that, as long as you interract daily and don't let her continue to run wild.

A cage is not the worst thing either especially if it's large enough, but i would put the cage in the middle of the living room, as I always do, so they aren't in isolation. But that would be my last resort... often by "shaking up" their previous schedule & lifestyle you can sorta encourage them into change. Keep them caged, tend to their needs, spend some time next to them, talking to them, eventually when they are ready they will start becoming friendly through the cage.

I'd try the latter only as a last resort. Most animals are screaming for boundaries, that's all... well that and a little respect. Just like children.. it's just they are all a bit different with their own different needs & personalities.

pm me anytime
 
I'll have to cross squirt bottles and duck calls off the top of the list. She bites the water and came running to see what the sound of the duck call was at first, then she just ignored it.
She seems to like the PSST sound so I'll have to see how that goes...I've always used "the buzzer" for the dog "AANNHH" and it's very effective for her.
It's so frustrating to have a cat that hates to be touched...they are supposed to purr and rub on you and instead she runs by and bites me and takes off, grrr.
I know I need to get her a cat tree so she stops sitting on the TV and has a different "safe space" to get away from the dog and strangers and I really should be interacting with her more with toys, she absolutely loves to play for hours....I'm being a bad cat owner.
Thanks BF
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