Chick Pics for New 2 and Our Chart

[AugeredIn]

Here are the one week old chicks from the same pen; one White on the left and the other two are going to be Cameo Silver Pieds.





Silver Pieds from the same clutch.








That's all for now, computer is acting up and I have work to attend to, so I will post more later today. I have four more pens...

In the first group here there are two blackshoulder chicks with a white chick. The blackshoulder chicks cannot be silver pied if the male is not silver pied in my opinion. None of your birds are indicted as blackshoulder above so You have something going on you don't know about! A little extra bonus perhaps.

The second group are loud pied.

 

[AugeredIn]

In your second posting,Post #4, there cannot be cameo chicks without a cameo or split cameo cock.

 

[KsKingBee]

@AugeredIn thanks for your input, I need a lot of help here. This IB Pied WE cock came from the same source that my IBBS split Cameo cock came from and it is entirely possible that he is also split Cameo. I produced quite a few Cameo hens last year and one Cameo cock and two Cameo Black Shoulder cocks. Here is a better pic of that chick, is it a Cameo WE?

 

[KsKingBee]

In the first group here there are two blackshoulder chicks with a white chick. The blackshoulder chicks cannot be silver pied if the male is not silver pied in my opinion. None of your birds are indicted as blackshoulder above so You have something going on you don't know about! A little extra bonus perhaps.

The second group are loud pied.

But, but, but, there is no Black Shoulder anything in that pen! Unless the IB Pied WE cock is split Cameo?

Would that make him a BS also? Is it even possible to be a IB Pied WE Split Cameo split BS? The only hen in there that could even remotely be split BS also came from where those two mystery cocks came from and appears to be a IB Pied.

Are you saying that I need a SP cock to produce SP chicks? I knew that this pen would produce some interesting chicks, I just didn't expect that it would be so hard to figure out WHAT they are. The only thing I was sure of was that they should all be double factor WE except for the ones that come from the IB Pied hen.
And we are not even up to the head scratcher that I alluded to in my first post.

 

[KsKingBee]

In your second posting,Post #4, there cannot be cameo chicks with a cameo or split cameo cock.

Did you mean 'without' ? I thought that you could produce female Cameo chicks from a Cameo hen but it would take a Cameo or split Cameo cock to produce a Cameo cock?

ETA; Then what would I expect to get from my Cameo SP and Cameo WE hen in that pen if he isn't split cameo?

 

[KsKingBee]

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I am afraid I can't answer that, it's not like mixing paint where you know what you get when you add one color to another. I am still learning here by the kindness of those more experienced breeders. I would suspect that it should be enough for the chick chart to be able to determine what a chick looks like. It would be confusing to try to inject all the different genetic quantifiers when it only matters to someone that is intending to breed that particular bird. One of the chicks from the Pied WE pen looks like a very dark IB split white or Pied. Q8 mentioned the other day that Spaulding chicks are really dark, it COULD turn out that chick is showing Spaulding or it could be just another IB chick. Unfortunately, we won't be able to know for sure for quite a long while. Then again there are subtle differences that can be shown like the light coloring on the back of the head on an IB that is split BS. That was very helpful for me when YOU posted that little tidbit some time ago.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

Thank you @q8peafowl that is exactly the kind of comments I need. I thought that because they have that dark area in between the shoulders that that meant it was silver. I have also heard that a Silver Pied has less than 20% color, so I agree with what you are saying. Would you think that the yellow chicks that are beginning to color are SP? Another point I am unclear of; I have noticed that most of the SP birds I have gotten from Legg have dark streaks, like eyebrows, above the eyes, but on top of their head. Is that a SP marking?

Many of my silver birds have that dark streak, but I think it's not necessarily a sign of silver pied, you mean like this right?


If you are referring to the yellow chicks in image #5 they look cameo black shoulder to me, the one in the front look pied, the one in the back I can't tell. I had cameo bs silver pied male peachick that are between 8 to 10 weeks now, he looked white at hatch with three or four tan feathers color on his wings, after about 6 weeks he start to show some color in his neck, with black should pattern you will get really confused.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

@AugeredIn thanks for your input, I need a lot of help here. This IB Pied WE cock came from the same source that my IBBS split Cameo cock came from and it is entirely possible that he is also split Cameo. I produced quite a few Cameo hens last year and one Cameo cock and two Cameo Black Shoulder cocks. Here is a better pic of that chick, is it a Cameo WE?

Here is cameo white eye hen:

Your chick looks darker, i would guess india blue, the white eye gene will make him lighter.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

But, but, but, there is no Black Shoulder anything in that pen! Unless the IB Pied WE cock is split Cameo?

Would that make him a BS also? Is it even possible to be a IB Pied WE Split Cameo split BS? The only hen in there that could even remotely be split BS also came from where those two mystery cocks came from and appears to be a IB Pied.

Are you saying that I need a SP cock to produce SP chicks? I knew that this pen would produce some interesting chicks, I just didn't expect that it would be so hard to figure out WHAT they are. The only thing I was sure of was that they should all be double factor WE except for the ones that come from the IB Pied hen.
And we are not even up to the head scratcher that I alluded to in my first post.

Many birds i bought i discovered later they are split bs, you will always be surprised.

Did you mean 'without' ? I thought that you could produce female Cameo chicks from a Cameo hen but it would take a Cameo or split Cameo cock to produce a Cameo cock?

ETA; Then what would I expect to get from my Cameo SP and Cameo WE hen in that pen if he isn't split cameo?

A cameo hen with india blue male will never produce cameo offspring, but if the male was cameo then you will get cameo hens from him. All chicks from this pen should be india blue(could have different patterns: pied,bs w/e but they will be india blue), the male chicks will be split cameo and the hens will just be india blue.

 

[AugeredIn]

@AugeredIn thanks for your input, I need a lot of help here. This IB Pied WE cock came from the same source that my IBBS split Cameo cock came from and it is entirely possible that he is also split Cameo. I produced quite a few Cameo hens last year and one Cameo cock and two Cameo Black Shoulder cocks. Here is a better pic of that chick, is it a Cameo WE?

I just don't think cameo but I could be wrong. I think it is an IB that is white eye. You must have a cameo or split cameo cock to get cameo chicks.