Chicken Breeds Health Problems

In the dog world, there have long been (and still are) people who expressed your exact views on different breeds. Unfortunately, it is now the scientific consensus that there have indeed been many adverse effects that now appear to be virtually irreversible.

That is why I opened this topic. I started reading up on chicken breeds and was shocked that even here something similar is going on.

I just wanted to express this concern, but now I have the idea that people react mostly defensively and get stuck on my choice of words. Just to prove a point in stead of trying to understand the matter. I don't think the discussion is meaningful in this way. So I'll refrain from reacting in this topic.
 
Fair point. I'd take acute pain over chronic if no other option is available.
I did this for myself several years ago. I was faced with the choice of either living with chronic pain due to a torn tendon in my shoulder or undergo a pretty invasive surgery with 6 months of healing and physical therapy. I opted for the surgery and am in better shape than before the year. Insignificant pain as well. So, a happily ever after.
 
Perhaps you are alluding to something like the "American" Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, a dog whose skull - thru selective breeding - has become increasingly small, its snout shortened, such that they are now known (in part) for neurological issues which exhibit as a need to scratch incessently the base of the spine. and, by the way, mitral heart valve problems as well.

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As compared to the ideal "English" Cavalier King Charles Spaniel...
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Which remains closer to its historic origins...
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I see where you may be intending to go with your screed - but its hardly "irreversible". The CKC breeders (largely concentrated in Katy, TX) are busy breeding themselves out of the genetic lottery, while the dog can be restored towards more physiological norms by the same process that brought it to this point (in America).

When my wife and I had the opportunity, and the inclination, after reviewing the literature, the state of the bloodlines, and the contracts for "purchase" offered by the American CKC breeders (which look more like extended rental contracts, particularly related to future breedings), we declined to participate in such folly. By all means, be an educated consumer, yes - but don't pretend you have the moral authority to speak for the rest of us.

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I did this for myself several years ago. I was faced with the choice of either living with chronic pain due to a torn tendon in my shoulder or undergo a pretty invasive surgery with 6 months of healing and physical therapy. I opted for the surgery and am in better shape than before the year. Insignificant pain as well. So, a happily ever after.
I don't have personal experience but I had to get my dog TPLO surgery a few years ago. Essentially a torn ACL. Vet told me not to wait too long as it'd increase his odds of arthritis (or it'd be worse than it'd normally be). It was done on the first appointment available and he had 3 months of recovery. I'd just worry about pain management with chickens. I couldn't dock a chook personally and wouldn't want it done without some kind of numbing or pain medication. For my own comfort.
 
I don't think the discussion is meaningful in this way. So I'll refrain from reacting in this topic.

I've asked twice for evidence to support your position that these animals are in pain.

For a discussion to be meaningful one needs to debate in good faith with assertions backed by facts.
 
I've asked twice for evidence to support your position that these animals are in pain.

For a discussion to be meaningful one needs to debate in good faith with assertions backed by facts.
Yup, I agree, there has to be a give and take and trying to understand one another's positions. Quite honestly, issues are unavoidable regardless of the breed or species. Even ones that are not bred to extreme issues (ie flat faced dogs). Floppy ears are more prone to ear infections compared to pointed ears. Should floppy eared dogs be bred out? Should we dock their ears to minimize the risk? Or do we, as owners, simply take a minute to check their ears and clean as needed? Neutered cats are more prone to blockages that can literally rupture their bladder. Do we stop neutering? My own cat had this issues years ago and I do my best to avoid food with fish protein (vet said something about magnesium messing with pH balance in urine). Sometimes I mess up and he starts pacing back and forth to the litter box so I get him some Science Diet as it helps with pH balance and he's fine. I'm just glad changing his diet did the trick.
I've said earlier in this thread that I used to have a leopard gecko and there was debate on breeding the enigma morph on a forum I frequented. Enigma syndrome is most prevalent in the enigma morph and causes a whole host of issues.
Where is the line drawn? A floppy ear or feathered leg or a serious health issue specifically related to a characteristic? Are potential issues preventable and/or manageable to the extent that the animal's quality of life isn't severely impacted? Is the owner able and willing to prevent these issues or properly manage them if they arise?
 
Where is the line drawn? A floppy ear or feathered leg or a serious health issue specifically related to a characteristic? Are potential issues preventable and/or manageable to the extent that the animal's quality of life isn't severely impacted? Is the owner able and willing to prevent these issues or properly manage them if they arise?

I draw the line at my ownership. If the creature is mine, I decide. If it isn't, I (almost always) keep my moth shut, unless there are gross medical issues (i.e. protruding bone) or my opinion is requested.

Its an easy line to draw, I know exactly where its at.
 
I draw the line at my ownership. If the creature is mine, I decide. If it isn't, I (almost always) keep my moth shut, unless there are gross medical issues (i.e. protruding bone) or my opinion is requested.

Its an easy line to draw, I know exactly where its at.
The point of these discussions is to share ideas and how/why we've reached them. I'm not going to steal a person's animal but I'm sure as hell gonna talk about the health issues associated with certain breeds and how irresponsible/unethical the breeding can be. Discussing things leads to more people becoming aware of issues they may not have even thought of because these things become normalized. Some people will think twice and others will just disregard and do what they want without a second thought but it's too easy to go "its not my business" and shut up.

Edit for clarity: I'm referring more to domestic animals than chicken breeds. I'm unsure of chicken breed specific issues other than vaulted skulls.
 
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I'm sure as hell gonna talk about the health issues associated with certain breeds and how irresponsible/unethical the breeding can be.

First I'd like to see some actual evidence that certain breeds of chicken absolutely do have certain health problems.

I asked the OP twice to validate her claims of birds being in pain with scientific evidence. She chose not to.
 
First I'd like to see some actual evidence that certain breeds of chicken absolutely do have certain health problems.

I asked the OP twice to validate her claims of birds being in pain with scientific evidence. She chose not to.
Sorry, I was talking more in general of animal welfare. The whole topic got me thinking more about cats/dogs as I'm generally unaware of chicken breed specific issues sans vaulted skulls.

Edit: I edited my other post to clarify.
 

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