Chicken cote (update in post#12 of thread).

[Resolution]

It's not my intention to ruffle any feathers. I've written quite a bit about the history of chicken shelters and how humankind reinvented the chicken along with each modification. I've also written about some pivotal moments in the development of the domestic chicken- that is when and where an important race of feral fowl took to habitating in dovecotes-in antiquity and how this shift in consciousness of the hens effected their eventual domestication and refinement as one of the most important progenitive breeds.

As so much of what's been written by me is really a large digression from the point of this thread- I'm labouring over it at another thread. Once I've got the context written out I can return to this thread and present specifics. For now, and please forgive me for being laborious- it's how my brain writes- it's important that these other topics are broached - in order to expand the parameters- to re-contextualise the subject matter before explaining a shift in design application.

p.s. I too was on dial up until recently and I can thoroughly empathize. Unfortunately, I'm a very visual writer- photographs and illustrations are key- I apologise for slowing down your reading.

 

[Medicine Man]

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I think he's started a new thread for this.

 

[patandchickens]

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Reposting because I really would like to KNOW, this is not "baiting" in any way, this is trying to find something out

Pat

The extra flying space appears to be in the height of the structure. I think the term "cote" would be used to describe a tall bird structure capable of allowing birds to perch higher than four to five feet. A coop on the other hand is usually a structure just tall enough for the caretaker to walk in to and birds roost three to four feet off the floor.

Well then many or most of the folks on BYC (me included) already HAVE "cotes".

For whatever it's worth, that's what on this forum people distinguish as "walk-in coops" as opposed to "reach-in" coops, when discussing height. All these people converting sheds and barn stalls and stuff. (next phrase edited out as apparently it was not taken as humorous)

So I am not seeing where the massive difference is from what a whole big lotta people are already doing.

Note that the people with only reach-in size coops generally do so because of space limitations rather than because they actually think that's the ideal design, too.


Pat

 

[Medicine Man]

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Particularly funny is the comment "on this forum people distinguish as..."

"on this forum"

"on THIS FORUM"

Well I suppose "IN REAL LIFE", some choose to distinguish theirs as something else. Do you mind? Are you done yet?

 

[patandchickens]

I'm sorry, I thought it was funny.

"Appalled?" "So antagonistic"????

Y'all, the report button is the little black letters in the lower right corner of the post window.


Pat

 

[Medicine Man]

You are making a mockery of the notion of raising the bar on stewardship as though the hobby is not already suffering from old misconceptions which are harming the chickens.

 

[patandchickens]

You know not all humor is "mockery", there are lots of other kinds. I did edit my comment out, what more do you want?

Honestly I think that BYC (which is of course the people with whom you are having this discussion, not all the other random chicken owners of the world) is doing quite a lot to "raise the bar on stewardship" of chickens. While an extremely wide diversity of philosophies and methods is represented here -- which is GREAT, in my opinion -- it seems to me like a majority lean towards giving as much room and quality of environment to the chickens as circumstances permit. (Bearing in mind that not everyone has free rein, given their physical or financial circumstances).

I know, because I've paid attention to it, that there are QUITE A LOT of BYCers who give as much or more indoor space as my setup does (15 sq ft per chicken indoors, 8' height, plus ample run or free ranging). In fact I have not yet seen any other major chicken site on the internet where there seems to be as strong a movement towards more space and fewer chickens and the best environment for them as there is here.

So I am wondering how well you and Resolution and some others on this thread have READ this forum, to get a sense of what sorts of things people do 'round here; and why you feel it is unreasonable for people to ask for SPECIFIC ADVICE (not blueprints, just dimensional or detail-oriented statements, like "I feel its important to have the roosts at least <how many?> feet high" or "here are some specific things you can do to enrich chicken habitat" or etc)

As opposed to getting furious at everyone.

Resolution, I appreciate that you "are getting to it" but how hard would it be to just write two sentences to clarify how much flying-around space there is in what you call a cote?


Pat

 

[Tdub4chiks]

I suppose you could just take all the ladders from the raised "back yard" coops and call them cotes.

 

[Moabite]

Good morning! I've just found the is thread and I love the idea. It makes total sense to me that a defensless-in-the-dark bird would rather roost higher up. I haven't read all the posts, but it seems that the gist of it, is to create an environment more suited to a native chicken's natural habitat, to help encourage the birds to be less stressed and more healthy. I'm getting tons of ideas.

 

[Wynette]

Okay, folks...those of you going off on each other need to stop. There is some very good information in here. Take it for what it's worth - it it doesn't work for you in your situation, then just don't take the advice. No need to start an argument over it.

To the folks presenting the information - you won't make any friends by posting in such an abrasive style. Please be open, and welcome the questions posted; peeps want to learn and are interested. Talking down to them is not helpful to anyone.

A big "thank you" to those of you not instigating, and not joining in on the arguing & nasty commenting; if it continues, the thread will be closed.