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I was just searching for information on Hy-Line chickens, but just found a lot of secrecy about the genetics and the mention of red sex-link. However on the company's website I found the management guide and the picture as you can see seems obvious as to the parentage! I think Hy-Line produce other hybrid breeds too, so what their parentage is I don't know. I just know that my Hy-Lines are generally brownish in colour (with variations between each chicken), so 'Hy-Line Brown' seemed to be them.


To me the mother hen looks like a Leghorn crossed with another white bird, or as you say white silver. Somewhere I read the mothers are bred from White Plymouth rock chickens? Maybe the Plymouth with a Leghorn?

The father appears to me as a Rhode Island Red crossed with a New Hampshire.

Honestly I reckon that the lineage of each parent is quite complex!
It can't be just two pure-bred chickens forming the genetics.
THEN those two parents are kept together to breed the sex-linked chicks.



(Bonus shot of my two Hy-Line pullets, Cinnamon and Caraway, hatched from the breeder late last year. I think they might be laying soon.)
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It is possible the whites are recessive white AND dominant white, I never did consider that
 
He appears to be a blue red columbian to me (Mahogany, Columbian, and Blue on a Wheaten base.) His color is practically like a New Hampshire but with the blue of course, and those are red columbian.
Mahogany is actually a weak pheomelanin extender (see Welsummer males with the red spotted breasts) which is why he has less black than say a buff sussex which are gold columbian.
Okay thank you! I didn’t breed him so I didn’t know anything about what breeds or genes may have been involved.
 
@Amer , I had read that the cream gene is recessive and doesn’t have an affect with only one copy. However, this hen is a Cream Legbar and Game mix (weed hatch). The mother was a pea combed gold duckwing colored Game, and the father a Cream Legbar. I know our Games don’t carry or exhibit the cream gene and this hen only has one copy yet she is very distinctly cream. And I know the pea combed Game hen was her mother because the hen is pea combed. Sorry for the bad picture. She is very skittish. Thoughts?

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@Amer , I had read that the cream gene is recessive and doesn’t have an affect with only one copy. However, this hen is a Cream Legbar and Game mix (weed hatch). The mother was a pea combed gold duckwing colored Game, and the father a Cream Legbar. I know our Games don’t carry or exhibit the cream gene and this hen only has one copy yet she is very distinctly cream. And I know the pea combed Game hen was her mother because the hen is pea combed. Sorry for the bad picture. She is very skittish. Thoughts?

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Hmm
There's two possibilities. The games really do have the cream gene (high possibility it is responsible for the "golden" Duckwing genotype which isn't gold but rather cream) or Cream Legbars don't really have ig at all but have a dominant dilution gene as well.
 
Hmm
There's two possibilities. The games really do have the cream gene (high possibility it is responsible for the "golden" Duckwing genotype which isn't gold but rather cream) or Cream Legbars don't really have ig at all but have a dominant dilution gene as well.
That is interesting. I’m leaning to it maybe being more of a dominant gene because the line of Games that her mother is from isn’t golden or silver. They are all gold and some red duckwing. Occasionally the odd wheaten hen crops up out of the line but other than that, they throw pretty uniform looking birds. This is a rooster from the same line.

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Spoiler: Fibromelanism
First I want to say I love this thread and this is where I learned most of my chicken genetic knowledge. It's super easy to understand and the pictures help a lot!

I was wondering if you have any knowledge on how the dermal melanizers work? I do know of gypsy face, but what is known about other melanizers, how many there are and how they work?

The reason I ask is because I have a 4 week old rooster chick that really darkened up in the comb, beak and legs about 2 weeks ago. And I mean only a tinge lighter than his sisters. His dad is an Ayam Cemani and his mom a splash barred white shanked BYM. So I am very confused why he darkened up so much while carrying both a single gene of ID and barring. Which ofcourse should inhibit fibro, but apparently doesn't inhibit the other melanizers? Now it's pretty difficult to distinguish him from his sisters without looking closely. The differences still being his lighter eyes, yellowish tip of the beak, light skin and barring barely visible in his blue feathers.
 
First I want to say I love this thread and this is where I learned most of my chicken genetic knowledge. It's super easy to understand and the pictures help a lot!

I was wondering if you have any knowledge on how the dermal melanizers work? I do know of gypsy face, but what is known about other melanizers, how many there are and how they work?

The reason I ask is because I have a 4 week old rooster chick that really darkened up in the comb, beak and legs about 2 weeks ago. And I mean only a tinge lighter than his sisters. His dad is an Ayam Cemani and his mom a splash barred white shanked BYM. So I am very confused why he darkened up so much while carrying both a single gene of ID and barring. Which ofcourse should inhibit fibro, but apparently doesn't inhibit the other melanizers? Now it's pretty difficult to distinguish him from his sisters without looking closely. The differences still being his lighter eyes, yellowish tip of the beak, light skin and barring barely visible in his blue feathers.
I'm so glad this thread has been helpful! My whole goal is to educate people! I won't be able to update the first post anymore and I don't have any interest in Tumblr anymore so I guess now I'll just leave this blog alone. Maybe if I have a website someday or a different way to present this knowledge I can continue with it.

I don't know what the other melanizers are. Definitely melanin in the feathers can also darken the face, however, I expect that your rooster is going through a goth phase and his comb will be bright red when he reaches maturity. :p I'm joking of course, but I expect that will happen.
 
I won't be able to update the first post anymore and I don't have any interest in Tumblr anymore so I guess now I'll just leave this blog alone. Maybe if I have a website someday or a different way to present this knowledge I can continue with it
Kinda sad to hear this, but would love to see any continuation you potentially make!
I expect that your rooster is going through a goth phase and his comb will be bright red when he reaches maturity. :p I'm joking of course, but I expect that will happen.
Since he darkened up I don't know if I would expect bright red, maybe very prominent mulberry? For me the confusion lies in what I see in the zombies breeding Facebook group. Lots of bad information in there, but it does show that roosters are often normally coloured while hens are kinda leakage fibro. Ofcourse the genetics is a bit different as this is not a zombie, but my rooster looks just like those zombie pullet chicks qua fibro. And also just like those pullets has started darkening up.

I assume that maybe because I am in the Netherlands which is the first western country to import Ayam Cemani, a lot of the melanizers are still present. While those have been lost in the American population because of the high prices and therefore scams and stuff.

Kinda difficult to make photo's of him. But I will try to make a few at different ages to see his progress. This fibro test for my rooster has turned out quite exciting!
 
Kinda sad to hear this, but would love to see any continuation you potentially make!

Since he darkened up I don't know if I would expect bright red, maybe very prominent mulberry? For me the confusion lies in what I see in the zombies breeding Facebook group. Lots of bad information in there, but it does show that roosters are often normally coloured while hens are kinda leakage fibro. Ofcourse the genetics is a bit different as this is not a zombie, but my rooster looks just like those zombie pullet chicks qua fibro. And also just like those pullets has started darkening up.

I assume that maybe because I am in the Netherlands which is the first western country to import Ayam Cemani, a lot of the melanizers are still present. While those have been lost in the American population because of the high prices and therefore scams and stuff.

Kinda difficult to make photo's of him. But I will try to make a few at different ages to see his progress. This fibro test for my rooster has turned out quite exciting!
I really do think he will turn red at maturity. It's common for roosters his age to be darker but turn red later.
 

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