chicks dying , help....coccidiosis???? any thoughts....

[casportpony]

A number that works for me is 30ml/kg every six to eight hours and I always let the crop clear overnight. Can you get baby bird food where you are?

-Kathy

 

[esther5]

i could...is that better than pureed chick crumbs?
thanks for the info. i was glad that the first lot was emptied from her crop after 4 hours so i gave her some more. i assume it is quicker to deal with pureed food....

 

[casportpony]

The baby bird food that we have here has bird specific probiotics in it and it's much easier to feed than crumbles, it's more like a pancake batter and goes throught the tube very smoothly. Crumbles are cheaper, baby bird food is easier to tube and might be easier for them to digest, but that's just a guess.

-kathy

 

[esther5]

thanks. i have a hand blender and have been using that and adding probiotic yoghurt to it so will see how that goes. i can't believe how easy it is compared to all the messy hand feeding.not sure right now whether to start with corid again tomorrow or hypercium in case it is like mareks. the symptoms are more like coccidia i think but some of her movements might be neurological. hard to tell as she is so weak and drifts to sleep all the time.
so far no one else is appearing off colour but until i have 2 months with no one getting sick i won't feel safe.

 

[esther5]

i've just finished putting down a sand surface...finished for today i mean. i've got 1/3 done and hopefully will complete it tomorrow. it needed doing anyway and it might reduce any illness from spreading.

 

[LibertyChick]

So sorry to hear your chick is not doing well. Good, glad you will be getting kefir grains. It's too bad you don't know anyone who can give you grains in person. I hope they get to you fast. Praying that it will not be too late with the others. If you want to learn about kefir making and possibly find someone in your area who has kefir grains, you can join this forum below. There is tons to health benefits that comes from drinking kefir and that goes for human and animals.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Good_Kefir_Grains/

Take care,
LibertyChick

 

[LibertyChick]

I would like to stress again the "Law of the Terrain." What that means that if the immune system is strong and the animal or human is healthy, than viruses/bacteria/etc won't be a problem. The reason there are so many chickens in your area is because the species as a whole is weaker than they used to be. The chicks are raised on GMOs which is full of pesticides and other viruses and bacteria that are genetically modified into the feed that they are eating. This in turn causes them to be weaker/unhealthier. We/animals do not have any vaccine/drug deficiency diseases. They need their immune systems boosted, not kill all microbes in their bodies as it also kills the good guys too. Yogurt doesn't even come close to giving enough probiotics. It only has a few strains on bacteria but kefir has dozens of strains of beneficial bacteria and yeasts. I have included the list of probiotics in kefir, the list is very impressive. There is more probiotics in one table of kefir than in a whole bottle of expensive probiotics.

http://www.culturesforhealth.com/milk-kefir-grains-composition-bacteria-yeast

Probiotics is what keeps us alive!!! Killing all the flora, good and bad, makes it difficult for them to survive. The probiotics will kill the bad guys, you don't need to do that.

I hope this helps,
LibertyChick

 

[esther5]

the kefir grains arrived yesterday. she had some yesterday and this morning. any advice on how much to give her and how often? she has also had probiotic yoghurt and chick crumbs and egg.

she isn't on any antibiotics. not sure if she will pull through , she is very weak and thin.

 

[casportpony]

the kefir grains arrived yesterday. she had some yesterday and this morning. any advice on how much to give her and how often? she has also had probiotic yoghurt and chick crumbs and egg.

she isn't on any antibiotics. not sure if she will pull through , she is very weak and thin.

Her best chance for survival is on a diet of high protein feed mixed with with water. Forget about the yogurt, etc, find some turkey or gamebird crumbles for her. Curiously, what does her poop look like?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

I would like to stress again the "Law of the Terrain." What that means that if the immune system is strong and the animal or human is healthy, than viruses/bacteria/etc won't be a problem. The reason there are so many chickens in your area is because the species as a whole is weaker than they used to be. The chicks are raised on GMOs which is full of pesticides and other viruses and bacteria that are genetically modified into the feed that they are eating. This in turn causes them to be weaker/unhealthier. We/animals do not have any vaccine/drug deficiency diseases. They need their immune systems boosted, not kill all microbes in their bodies as it also kills the good guys too. Yogurt doesn't even come close to giving enough probiotics. It only has a few strains on bacteria but kefir has dozens of strains of beneficial bacteria and yeasts. I have included the list of probiotics in kefir, the list is very impressive. There is more probiotics in one table of kefir than in a whole bottle of expensive probiotics.

http://www.culturesforhealth.com/milk-kefir-grains-composition-bacteria-yeast

Probiotics is what keeps us alive!!! Killing all the flora, good and bad, makes it difficult for them to survive. The probiotics will kill the bad guys, you don't need to do that.

I hope this helps,
LibertyChick

Liberty Chick,

Which of these are found in a normal, healthy chicken? Aren't these the human strains?

Bacteria
Species Lactobacillus
Lb. acidophilus
Lb. brevis [Possibly now Lb. kefiri]
Lb. casei subsp. casei
Lb. casei subsp. rhamnosus
Lb. paracasei subsp. paracasei
Lb. fermentum
Lb. cellobiosus
Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus
Lb. delbrueckii subsp. lactis
Lb. fructivorans
Lb. helveticus subsp. lactis
Lb. hilgardii
Lb. helveticus
Lb. kefiri
Lb. kefiranofaciens subsp. kefirgranum
Lb. kefiranofaciens subsp. kefiranofaciens
Lb. parakefiri
Lb. plantarum

Species Streptococcus
St. thermophilus
St. paracitrovorus

Species Lactococcus
Lc. lactis subsp. lactis
Lc. lactis subsp. lactis biovar. diacetylactis
Lc. lactis subsp. cremoris

Species Enterococcus
Ent. durans

Species Leuconostoc
Leuc. mesenteroides subsp. cremoris
Leuc. mesenteroides subsp. mesenteroides
Leuc. dextranicum

Yeasts
Dekkera anomala / Brettanomyces anomalus
Kluyveromyces marxianus / Candida kefyr
Pichia fermentans / C. firmetaria
Yarrowia lipolytica / C. lipolytica
Debaryomyces hansenii / C. famata
Deb. [Schwanniomyces] occidentalis
Issatchenkia orientalis / C. krusei
Galactomyces geotrichum / Geotrichum candidum
C. friedrichii
C. rancens
C. tenuis
C. humilis
C. inconspicua
C. maris
Cryptococcus humicolus
Kluyveromyces lactis var. lactis
Kluyv. bulgaricus
Kluyv. lodderae
Saccharomyces cerevisiae
Sacc. subsp. torulopsis holmii
Sacc. pastorianus
Sacc. humaticus
Sacc. unisporus
Sacc. exiguus
Sacc. turicensis sp. nov
Torulaspora delbrueckii
Zygosaccharomyces rouxii

Acetobacter
Acetobacter aceti
Acetobacter rasens

-Kathy