Chocolate/Dun Silkies?

[reesepoultry]

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Yes, that is true Danny. I just don't have a chocolate rooster to breed to my chocolate hens to get just chocolates. Plus I was careless and didn't keep very good records of the babies they threw until recently. When I first started I knew nothing. ans am now learning more & more. If i had a chocolate rooster then I would get more chocolates But, I only have a black.

I understand the money thing. there are a lot of people who wouldn't and a lot of people who would spend that much on a project bird just to get started.
So if mine don't sell for what I want for them then I will keep them and find room for them and keep better records of there babies and hopefully get a chocolate rooster.

 

[reesepoultry]

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Polish is Dun and Khaki and not Chocolate and I believe OE's are the same.
The hobby name for a Dun Polish is called Chocolate.

Off the Polish Breeders Club Site --
Breeding Chocolate's
Chocolate X Chocolate = 25%Black, 25%Khaki, 50%Chocolate
Chocolate X Black = 50%Black & 50%Chocolate
Chocolate X Khaki = 50%Chocolate & 50%Khaki
Khaki X Black = 100%Chocolate
Khaki X Khaki = 100%Khaki

You can test breed your birds to see if they are Chocolate or Dun.

If you take a Black Rooster put him over one of your hens in question-
If she is Dun you will get 50%Black & 50%Chocolate [and not Sex-linked]

If she is Chocolate then all the F1 Males should be Black and all the F1 Females should be Chocolate
Now if you take a F1 Black Male cross him back to his mom and you should get all Chocolate offspring.

That is good advice chris. If they don't sell for what I want I will try this expeirment and let you know. I am writing this down. Thanks

With the Chocolate gene Males need two copies of the gene in order to be Chocolate and Females only need one

Chris

 

[DANNY]

If you breed the chocolate to a black and then take the black sons and breed them back to the chocolate female you should get more chocolates and hopefully a chocolate male.
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Yes, that is true Danny. I just don't have a chocolate rooster to breed to my chocolate hens to get just chocolates. Plus I was careless and didn't keep very good records of the babies they threw until recently. When I first started I knew nothing. ans am now learning more & more. If i had a chocolate rooster then I would get more chocolates But, I only have a black.

I understand the money thing. there are a lot of people who wouldn't and a lot of people who would spend that much on a project bird just to get started.
So if mine don't sell for what I want for them then I will keep them and find room for them and keep better records of there babies and hopefully get a chocolate rooster.

 

[pips&peeps]

That is good advice chris. If they don't sell for what I want I will try this expeirment and let you know. I am writing this down. Thanks

If you don't know genetically what color your bird is, why would you promote it as chocolate and try to sell it for a large sum of money?​

 

[DANNY]

That looks chocolate not Kahki. I thought this was Kahki.

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Have to breed it in. I used chocolate polish. Here is my baby khaki; way too young to show, but nevertheless, she's in her first tomorrow in Tucson, then again at Shawnee in a couple of weeks.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/20590_sam_1623.jpg

and with a pale lavender, a blue and a black for colour comparison.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/20590_sam_1630.jpg


I have several younger ones as well. This is the first generation with all silkie features.


Dun is an allele of dominant white; choc is an entirely separate gene. Their appearance is virtually identical. Inheritance is completely different. Dun is incompletely dominant. One copy (I^D/i+) dilutes to the colour chocolate, two copies (I^D/I^D) dilutes to the colour khaki. Fawn silver duckwing is also based upon dun. The e-allele appears to make a huge difference in the amount of dilution. Silver vs gold seems to change the hue.

choc is a sex-linked recessive gene. All the US "chocolates" are actually dun-based. Unless someone is working on a project and has crossed seramas to get choc into a different breed, it is not present in the US, except in seramas. It is available in Europe and elsewhere in other breeds.

I am not aware of chocolate sumatras; they would be interesting to see as their black is so very intense; I wonder how their chocolate would be?

 

[reesepoultry]

pips&peeps :

That is good advice chris. If they don't sell for what I want I will try this expeirment and let you know. I am writing this down. Thanks

If you don't know genetically what color your bird is, why would you promote it as chocolate and try to sell it for a large sum of money?​

I never said I didn't know my hens weren't chocolate I said I never kept good records of there off spring there is a differance. If you want to argue with someone please go somewhere else to do so.​

 

[reesepoultry]

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Yes, that is true Danny. I just don't have a chocolate rooster to breed to my chocolate hens to get just chocolates. Plus I was careless and didn't keep very good records of the babies they threw until recently. When I first started I knew nothing. ans am now learning more & more. If i had a chocolate rooster then I would get more chocolates But, I only have a black.

I understand the money thing. there are a lot of people who wouldn't and a lot of people who would spend that much on a project bird just to get started.
So if mine don't sell for what I want for them then I will keep them and find room for them and keep better records of there babies and hopefully get a chocolate rooster.

I will do that. I have never bred back. I have always tried to just get them with my own expierments. I don't like imbreeding.

 

[catwalk]

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I have a choclolate Serama cock and black Silkie hens, so I did a little chart to figure out how to get the two together. I found that if you breed your chocolate hens to a black cock,the female chicks will be just black, but all your cockerel offspring will be split for chocolate. Breed one of them to your choc hens, and there you go!

There is a Duch breeder using Seramas to get choc into Silkies, and her F4's are still tiny and Seramalike. Such a long road!

 

[Chris09]

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I found that if you breed your chocolate hens to a black cock, the female chicks will be just black, but all your cockerel offspring will be split for chocolate.

If you are talking about True Chocolate and not Dun,
If you breed Chocolate to Black you should get all Chocolate Female.

As I stated some posts back, "With the Chocolate gene Males need two copies of the gene in order to be Chocolate and Females only need one "

The Chocolate gene is a sex linked recessive mutant gene, so the females cannot hide the gene. If they possess the choc gene, they will be Chocolate. Males, however can be carriers and require two copies to be visually Chocolate.

Chris

 

[RioLindoAz]

This is how I understood how Chocolate genetics came through.

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