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[Sonoran Silkies]

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That's so wrong!

Why? They went to enormous expense to import; shouldn't they be allowed to recoup some of their investment? It is basc economics: supply and demand. By producing the splits, they are getting a much larger breeding selection and gene pool than if they limited their breeding to only pure chocolates.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

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That's so wrong!

Why? They went to enormous expense to import; shouldn't they be allowed to recoup some of their investment? It is basc economics: supply and demand. By producing the splits, they are getting a much larger breeding selection and gene pool than if they limited their breeding to only pure chocolates.

I can see it from a lot of angles but money being the main objective. You don't go through that much trouble for that many breeds if the dollar wasn't involved. What about alll the breeds here that need special attention? Doesn't mean I don't want them because I sure would like to have that chocolate gene to play with. You know what's funny, it would be tax return season when they start introducing them,lol.

 

[CluckyJay]

Oh my. I just Googled Chocolate Orphingtons. They are gorgeous!

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

I got to thinking about that auction and its for only 6 eggs and your not guaranteed any will even be chocolate. And the reserve is $550.00 dollars. Thats nutz!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Why? They went to enormous expense to import; shouldn't they be allowed to recoup some of their investment? It is basc economics: supply and demand. By producing the splits, they are getting a much larger breeding selection and gene pool than if they limited their breeding to only pure chocolates.

I can see it from a lot of angles but money being the main objective. You don't go through that much trouble for that many breeds if the dollar wasn't involved. What about alll the breeds here that need special attention? Doesn't mean I don't want them because I sure would like to have that chocolate gene to play with. You know what's funny, it would be tax return season when they start introducing them,lol.

I still do not understand why there is anything wrong with it. How is it any different than incubating eggs for $$ or selling chicks or eggs or adult birds for a profit. Or earing a living at the "expense" of others (be it as a lawyer, doctor, accountant, small business owner, government employee, clerk in a store, etc.). What I do see wrong is saying that one motive ("alll the breeds here that need special attention") is okay, but another (selling for profit) is wrong. I have no problem with someone wanting to re-establish or preserve a breed, but don't expect that that is or even should be everyone else's goal. IMO, if a breed is in need of preservation, there is something about it that does not appeal to enough folks, and since the majority of the heritage breeds that are "endangered" are less than 200 years old (some MANY years less than), I am not sure it is even a big deal. But if it is important to someone else, that is quite fine by me.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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A reason I neither buy nor sell eggs. Much better to pay for adult or started birds.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

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I can see it from a lot of angles but money being the main objective. You don't go through that much trouble for that many breeds if the dollar wasn't involved. What about alll the breeds here that need special attention? Doesn't mean I don't want them because I sure would like to have that chocolate gene to play with. You know what's funny, it would be tax return season when they start introducing them,lol.

I still do not understand why there is anything wrong with it. How is it any different than incubating eggs for $$ or selling chicks or eggs or adult birds for a profit. Or earing a living at the "expense" of others (be it as a lawyer, doctor, accountant, small business owner, government employee, clerk in a store, etc.). What I do see wrong is saying that one motive ("alll the breeds here that need special attention") is okay, but another (selling for profit) is wrong. I have no problem with someone wanting to re-establish or preserve a breed, but don't expect that that is or even should be everyone else's goal. IMO, if a breed is in need of preservation, there is something about it that does not appeal to enough folks, and since the majority of the heritage breeds that are "endangered" are less than 200 years old (some MANY years less than), I am not sure it is even a big deal. But if it is important to someone else, that is quite fine by me.

Let me back up,,you honestly think that $3000.00 for a pair of started birds is fine? I own my own business and I would never take advantage of people just because I'm the only one that has the breed and then run a monopoly on them. I understand that if you don't want them don't buy them but from a business point of view you would make more money selling to more people at a reasonable cost. Like maybe a $1000.00 a pair. I could see that being an investment but to put a strangle hold on the market just to further your years to make a lucitive profit, NO, I just can't see at that level. Sorry.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

How much money do you think they spent per pair (including the many thousands of dollars it cost to import the birds legally)? If the market will not bear the price, it won't; if it will, it will. It has nothing to do with right or wrong. We live in a free market system; would you want to live under a different system? Doesn't make any difference if we are talking chickens or computers or cell phone or even specialty grocery products. If we were talking about things necessary for someone to live (say a new, very rare and expensive medicine, useful to only a very few, but for them the difference between living and dying), I might see your point, but we are talking about a non-necessary luxury. Not much difference between a rare variety chicken and a mazuratti (sp?).

 

[catwalk]

Agreed. Remember how expensive Cabbage Patch Kids or Beanie Babies used to be? People were out of their minds, paying so much for these frivalities. The fad passed, and they're now in the free box on the curb at every garage sale in America. I also think it's ridiculous that the sporty little convertables that I love are out of my price range, but instead of being outraged, I just take care of my sensible sedan until I can afford what I want. Just wait it out. The chocolates will eventually become better in type and lower in price, and you'll have time to decide if it's what you really want or not. The ground floor players pay dearly for the privilage, and their asking price may not be far from their cost.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

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I understand where your coming from. But morally I think it's wrong in my opinion. If I wanted to buy them at $3000.00 a pair then I would buy 20 of them but my point is this. Now this is from a business point of view.. You add up how many people would want this breed.. Lets say a 1000 people, (which is an under statement) I know it's way more. This is merely simple math. Even if you charged at a price of a $1000.00 dollars for a started pair then you would still come out way over what you put in to getting them here. Even if you charged at $500.00 a pair ( which alot of people would definately do) thats more customers and more profit. Your looking at 5000 people at $500 dollars for a brand spanking new breed. " Cha ching" $2,500,000.00 ........
Oh yeah, A Maserati goes up in value, not a chicken.
I'm simply stating that morally it's wrong and I see nothing but greed. (Realistically) You can take a 500 people and charge $500.00 a pair and still make $250,000.. I dought they spent that much to get them over here. And thats just one breed !! What about all the other new breeds that was brought over too with the Chocolate Orpingtons. Geeshhh. You got to have a little cooth about yourself because actions speak louder then words.
And as for waiting for better type? They were bred by some of the best breeders in the world in the UK. How much better do they need to be?