Chocolate Orpingtons?

[the3ofus+oursixchicks]

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my goodness those are beautiful. are the eggs expensive?

 

[StevenW.]

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Those look like Wyandottes to me..

ETA: Nicalandia - I see that you are useing some pictures from others posts on the forum here. Please ask the owner of the picture before posting it on a different thread. Please.

Some members don't like that. Just throwin that out there...

 

[lildinkem]

Comparing Dun to Choc is like comparing a true Self Blue to a Lavender. 2 totally different genes. But the results are identical. I made a Dun birds from mixing a Buff Orp hen (we all know US American Orps have an influence of Rock) bred to a hatchery Black cock in a test breeding for fertility. The result is this bird who sired a line that has Dun in them.

one of his offspring has produced several pullets with this look

a brother to this pullet has EITHER a Birchen or Duckwing look about him but is definitely Dun. I hope to use him next year with a Dun pullet that a fellow Orp breeder is bringing to our Crossroads Show and take him to another sister who is Dun. Plus a Black pullet from the same line of Blacks that sired from the original hybrid. PROJECT yes, FUN OH YEAH!

 

[OSUman]

Chocolate Orpingtons do breed true. The chocolate gene is a sex linked recessive gene similar to barred which is sex linked dominant. Rob Boyd is the main person involved with the remaining of the late Dr. Carefoots' Chocolate Orpington flock, Grant Brereton has worked on his Chocolate Partridge Wyandotte, and Richard Davies created the Chocolate Wyandotte.
Here is the website from the three of them http://www.chocchooks.co.uk/ .
Chocolate Orpington Cock from their website

Chocolate Wyandotte Cock

Chocolate Partridge Wyandotte Cock

 

[turbo]

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I am going to have to disagree with you, I dont think the results are identical. I have seen alot of Dunn Wyandottes at the shows and I have a good friend that has been breeding them a long time....he gets a little upset with me when I bring this up. I have seen some dark "chocolate colored" Dunns out there..but they always seem to have a light blue cast to them, I dont think the deepest dark chocolate colored Dunn can compare to the deep dark chocolate of a good colored sex linked chocolate bird.

 

[lildinkem]

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I am going to have to disagree with you, I dont think the results are identical. I have seen alot of Dunn Wyandottes at the shows and I have a good friend that has been breeding them a long time....he gets a little upset with me when I bring this up. I have seen some dark "chocolate colored" Dunns out there..but they always seem to have a light blue cast to them, I dont think the deepest dark chocolate colored Dunn can compare to the deep dark chocolate of a good colored sex linked chocolate bird.

Sorry I do not see any with a Blue or Green cast or sheen or any of that. Look at the pics OSUMAN posted of Rob Boyds Chocs. Do you see Blue? I sure don't. And when judging a Choc or Dun Brown bird, they should have no Blue or green sheen and just be a flat Brown, plus the judge looks at more then just the color and has no way of knowing IF this is a sex linked bird unless he waits for it offspring to hatch. I am happy to disagree with you. And like both mutations.

 

[nicalandia]

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that they are....

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Not at all, ALL the pics I have shown here are from the Classroom at the coop, where Grant(Choc) Dr. Ron Okimoto, Henk, Tim Adkerson make their post, I am sure they don't mind of me using their pics HERE as there are alot of people new to genetics here(more than on the coop where I am a poster since 2006) and is for educational purposes anyways...

 

[nicalandia]

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Correct... even choc(sex linked recessive) can very in shade(not as much as Dun ofcourse) in the presence of lack of melanizers...

 

[turbo]

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I am going to have to disagree with you, I dont think the results are identical. I have seen alot of Dunn Wyandottes at the shows and I have a good friend that has been breeding them a long time....he gets a little upset with me when I bring this up. I have seen some dark "chocolate colored" Dunns out there..but they always seem to have a light blue cast to them, I dont think the deepest dark chocolate colored Dunn can compare to the deep dark chocolate of a good colored sex linked chocolate bird.

Sorry I do not see any with a Blue or Green cast or sheen or any of that. Look at the pics OSUMAN posted of Rob Boyds Chocs. Do you see Blue? I sure don't. And when judging a Choc or Dun Brown bird, they should have no Blue or green sheen and just be a flat Brown, plus the judge looks at more then just the color and has no way of knowing IF this is a sex linked bird unless he waits for it offspring to hatch. I am happy to disagree with you. And like both mutations.

I can only go by what I see when I have the birds in my hands...not pictures. When I look at Dunn Wyandottes in person, I see a off colored chocolate color with a blue tinge to it.....when I hold a sex linked chocolate bird in my hand ....I see dark chocolate, although some of the male chocolate orps and wyandottes have a bit of green sheen to their hackles and saddle feathers.

 

[lildinkem]

TURBO I go by what I heard from Don the President of the UOC and he knows Bob Coutler who still raises Dun Bantam Wyandottes plus LF Wyandottes and he said Bob's Dun birds are about the prettiest Brown bird he has seen. BUT, seeing that the true Chocolate gene birds are so new to the USA, Don may have not had a chance to compare a MASTER breeder's Dun Wyandotte stock like Bob Coulter to another MASTER breeder's stock of Wyandotte who has Choc gene like a Rob Boyd. I know I would pay to be there to listen to what the judge who would get the honor in comparing those two lines has to say. Being a Yankee, and knowing folks who know Bob he is a very approachable man. I have written both Grant and Rob several times and NEVER heard back from them. So I am partial to Bob and I am sure Bob is every bit an equal in breeding talent as Grant and Rob. I guess I am just biased.
Now, we must remember that we are talking about Orps on this thread. That is what I have and raise and know best. And in the Orp world, I am not sure if it holds true in the Wyandotte world, a Choc or Dun Orp is going to be shown in AOV, just like the Lavenders. And that being the case, there will be stiff competition for best AOV Orp. These Chocs by Rob Boyd would prolly not place in our USA APA Shows in AOV, simply cause of a different type. Now the opposite would be true in the UK. Our breeder's AOV's would get crushed by Boyd's birds. But, here I like to think the ORP TYPE will be the deciding factor above and beyond perfect coloration. You can have the prettiest color of Choc or Lav Orp who has not been perfected to our APA SOP Orp type go up against a hack backyard breeder like me and my Brown Reds and may not do as well as you hope. I am entering very young duo of Brown Reds at our Central Indiana Poultry Show. F-1's and hope you can make the show and see them in person. I like to think someday my BR's will give you guys Lavs and Chocs some good competition. AND MAY the BEST TYPE WIN!!!
These are my 2 entries. They will both be Shown at Crossroads too where I expect some Lav competition. I do not expect to win a thing. But SOMEDAY???? I will not have just 2 F-1's to play with. Their day will come.......

cockerel has just turned 6 months old. And won't be a 7 month ole by Crossroads. But let's put him out there in the AOV world to be seen and hopefully appreciated.

She is close to 11 months old and has been ridden by one of my cockerels

FORGOT to say I breed my orps to look like the Buffs that win around here. And the Bloodline of that winning Buff Orp breeder is in many of my BLACKS as well as these BR's