Chocolate projects?

[smoothmule]

I am working on getting Chocolate into my Flyties

Here is my bantam recessive Chocolate Cuckoo Orp that I have under my Fly Tie roo. Hoping I can get recessive chocolate flyties in a few generations

These are not chocolate, they are black barred. "If" the cockerel was out of a chocolate hen, then he does carry chocolate and can produce chocolate pullets (50/50) and a few chocolate split cockerels with that black barred hen. The hen is black and has no chance to produce chocolate if not bred to a chocolate or split to chocolate mate

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

Is she Chocolate Cuckoo, or just Black Cuckoo?

I ask because there's no such thing as a recessive Chocolate female Orp. If females have the gene, they will express it.

You'll need to get a Chocolate Cuckoo female for your project, or a Choc Cuckoo male.

She's Chocolate Cuckoo

Just because she only needs one copy of the gene to express does not mean I can not refer to her as carrying recessive chocolate genes... She does still carry the recessive chocolate gene to pass onto her male offspring

She comes from recessive chocolate genes and not dun chocolate

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

These are not chocolate, they are black barred. "If" the cockerel was out of a chocolate hen, then he does carry chocolate and can produce chocolate pullets (50/50) and a few chocolate split cockerels with that black barred hen. The hen is black and has no chance to produce chocolate if not bred to a chocolate or split to chocolate mate

That boy is not chocolate...he is my flytie roo that I have over my Chocolate Orp- I did write that in my post. I am WORKING on getting chocolate into them

The girl above my fly tie roo is a bantam chocolate cuckoo orp.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

I can assure you she is Chocolate Cuckoo and not Black

Here are more of my Chocolates

 

[smoothmule]

She's Chocolate Cuckoo

Just because she only needs one copy of the gene to express does not mean I can not refer to her as carrying recessive chocolate genes... She does still carry the recessive chocolate gene to pass onto her male offspring

She comes from recessive chocolate genes and not dun chocolate

Carrying implies they are hiding a gene, she either is chocolate or she is not and she can't "carry" a recessive gene. She certainly doesn't look at all chocolate in that photo. Try getting some photo's in better lighting. It looks more like just a smudgy black cuckoo color in that photo.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

Carrying implies they are hiding a gene, she either is chocolate or she is not and she can't "carry" a recessive gene. She certainly doesn't look at all chocolate in that photo. Try getting some photo's in better lighting. It looks more like just a smudgy black cuckoo color in that photo.

So very sorry my photos aren't up to your standard.

I would LOVE to see pics of your Chocolate Cuckoo birds so I can get a better idea of how to photograph them properly.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

My short term goal is platinum or mauve, btw. Hence the blue pattern birds. Which goes to show that though blue and chocolate both occupy black it is very possible to show both!!!

Lacing itself is not the goal. I want spangle type pattern, which these birds have. Even the boy is henny feathered!!! Lavender softens the groundcolor in porcelain; i would suppose chocolate would do the same. IF we could understand which base to start with. That is where i'm at; researching spangle/ millie/ speckled patterns. Why mutts? They are unpredictable. Muddled genetics. Longer and harder route, yes, but also possibility in their unexplained genes.




Long term i'm looking at 30 years. Pedigree is unimportant because since i'm making crosses for temperament first, type second, and color last they will all be mutts unless i successfully create a breed. Otherwise they are my personal flock.

Lavender dilutes both ground and base colours; choc dilutes only base. It won't alter the ground colour.

 

[fuzzybutt love]

Thanks; i am still new to genetics so much to learn. One thing i did get out of the other thread's discussion most of you were on is that it is dubious whether you can get a bird laced in chocolate- but no one asked whether you could get a chocolate with blue lace/ spangle!!!! The pic of the black bird with blue lace gave me hope. this summer i have some possible chocolates lined up!!!!!

 

[smoothmule]

Thanks; i am still new to genetics so much to learn. One thing i did get out of the other thread's discussion most of you were on is that it is dubious whether you can get a bird laced in chocolate- but no one asked whether you could get a chocolate with blue lace/ spangle!!!! The pic of the black bird with blue lace gave me hope.

this summer i have some possible chocolates lined up!!!!!

Don't let appearances (phenotype - the way the color appears) with what they actually are. You cannot have a black feathered bird with blue lacing. It's genetically impossible.

Now, you "can" have a color that sort of looks like that but it won't actually "be" black with blue lacing. Genetically, blue "is" black with a gene that dilutes the color to blue and it dilutes the entire bird, not just parts of it. So, if they are blue, there can be no black. And if black, they can't have areas of blue.

Chocolate lacing is possible but never on a black bird, because again, chocolate is like blue. It dilutes a black color to chocolate, all of it, so if a chocolate "looking" bird has even a single black feather, then it's not chocolate. Genes have rules by which they work, no exceptions or surprises. You can't get a chocolate with blue lacing either. Not genetically possible.

 

[Jakk]

Lemon Chocolate Partridge Wyandotte bantams.