Chocolate projects?

[fuzzybutt love]

Blue birds leak black? What was the color then that looked black and blue that wasn't? Dominant white diluting the black?

I know i'm not the only one who has tried-anyone got pics of porcelain crossed with chocolate??? Porcelain is the only patterned lav i know.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Lacing genes concentrate pigment in the edges of the feathers; since it is concentrated, it looks darker.

 

[fuzzybutt love]

My blue crosses had beetle green smudges in with the blue tail feathers of the males.

Anywho, the first thing is to get birds carrying both sets of genes then start cleaning up the pattern if i get it. Worst case scenario i have a chocolate with lav undertones in spots. Still pretty and not so dark as the allover black crosses. I figured porcelain is the best place to start since the pg is there slready. I picked the ee on purpose; one set. (Not ee) will be the porcelain choc breeders of pedigree heritage and the offspring will be bred to the ee-and in the ee breeders i will work on body shape, temperament. One of my hens is golden based "lemon blue" with lacing, the other is some sort of mystery cross with definate red or mahogony influence. Those will be bred back to the pedigree ones or i could do a 3 set breeding to minimalize inbreeding. Ee have not been selectively bred as most breeds have been so carry a wide variety of genes. It is why you get so much variety even with the same breeding pair! I am certain the best way to encourage variation is this. ???

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

My blue crosses had beetle green smudges in with the blue tail feathers of the males.

Anywho, the first thing is to get birds carrying both sets of genes then start cleaning up the pattern if i get it. Worst case scenario i have a chocolate with lav undertones in spots. Still pretty and not so dark as the allover black crosses. I figured porcelain is the best place to start since the pg is there slready. I picked the ee on purpose; one set. (Not ee) will be the porcelain choc breeders of pedigree heritage and the offspring will be bred to the ee-and in the ee breeders i will work on body shape, temperament. One of my hens is golden based "lemon blue" with lacing, the other is some sort of mystery cross with definate red or mahogony influence. Those will be bred back to the pedigree ones or i could do a 3 set breeding to minimalize inbreeding. Ee have not been selectively bred as most breeds have been so carry a wide variety of genes. It is why you get so much variety even with the same breeding pair! I am certain the best way to encourage variation is this. ???

The beetle green has to do with feather structure, not with pigment. You cannot get feathers that show both chocolate and blue separately. Yes, you can have both chocolate and blue dilutions, but they will dilute the same pigment, not separate parts of the feathers. It is genetically impossible.

Lemon blue does not have real lacing. The "lacing" seen on the breast is a part of the birchen phenotype.

 

[fuzzybutt love]

Smoothmule-
Cheese and rice! If you can have a bird that *looks* like black with blue lace, or chocolate that has build up on feather tips and is not uniform then is that not *good* enough?! The average joe would be thrilled.


Sonoran silkies
Birchen phenotype "lacing" is fine. I see phenotype, not genotype!!! Thank you for putting a name on that, i've been asking for 2 years off and on to id that pattern. My male is a whole other ball game, with his henny feather chest pattern. I am thinking a millie cross, has hairy legs.

To all of the chocolate world-
Yes i am blatently "wasting" good genes on a mutt breed. On purpose no less. Gonna happen. I am fascinated by their not entirely understood genetics. I have thought about collonqua, but not enough of them left to carlessly play with color.

I sincerely appreciate guidance, but good gravy i am not tearing apart gene strands! Just looking for an appearance. A platinum rendition for now which is entirely do-able. On the chocolate lav crosses i have read they won't show together, but where are the pics???? I believe some have tried it? I believe it was at the least not a uniform shade of whatever did appear???

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Smoothmule-
Cheese and rice! If you can have a bird that *looks* like black with blue lace, or chocolate that has build up on feather tips and is not uniform then is that not *good* enough?! The average joe would be thrilled.


Sonoran silkies
Birchen phenotype "lacing" is fine. I see phenotype, not genotype!!! Thank you for putting a name on that, i've been asking for 2 years off and on to id that pattern. My male is a whole other ball game, with his henny feather chest pattern. I am thinking a millie cross, has hairy legs.

To all of the chocolate world-
Yes i am blatently "wasting" good genes on a mutt breed. On purpose no less. Gonna happen. I am fascinated by their not entirely understood genetics. I have thought about collonqua, but not enough of them left to carlessly play with color.

I sincerely appreciate guidance, but good gravy i am not tearing apart gene strands! Just looking for an appearance. A platinum rendition for now which is entirely do-able. On the chocolate lav crosses i have read they won't show together, but where are the pics???? I believe some have tried it? I believe it was at the least not a uniform shade of whatever did appear???

If you post a photo of your male, maybe we can help you with the genotype? Do you have a copy of the standard? It describes the appearance for each variety. Birchen (E^R base allele) gives breast lacing to both males and females. True lacing is Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Co/Co.

Platinum is Bl/bl+ I^D/i+ (one copy of blue, one of dun). Mauve is Bl/bl+ choc/choc. Beige is Bl/bl choc/choc.

http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm is an excellent resource.

 

[Henk69]

No, beige = I^d/i+ choc/(choc)

 

[fuzzybutt love]

Now i am embarassed. !!! Talking about platinum but should have been mauve.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

No, beige = I^d/i+ choc/(choc)

I knew that....duh. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Lorilyn Farms]

A friend of mine in europe is developing Chocolate Cuckoo Marans..

Here a chick

A friend of a friend is also developing Beige Silkies by using recessive sex linked Chocolate and Dun

Below birds are in the begining of the breeding stage so don't be so harsh..

That would explain this latest chick...





He/she didn't have the dun down, nor the chocolate. I've eliminated blue from my birds. It's hard to see under that bulb, but the color matches the beige silkie. I'm guessing this will be a female, since I no longer have a choc male, although I might have carriers.