"Clayback" Genetics

[Vcomb]

I'm curious to see what the genetics gurus here think about this bird's color:





This bird (and a few others) came out of a line of American gamefowl (H.H. Moore Clarets that had an infusion of Lowman Whitehackle many decades ago). The line this bird came out of breeds pretty true to color and these are the first ones that came out this way. I suspect they are the result of a recessive trait or maybe a group of recessives. These birds do not belong to me but rather a friend, I'm posting them here for discussion and more info.

Here's the mom of the above bird, she is typical of the color of the females of this line:



A typical male of the line, the father of these "claybacks" was a lighter (more lemon) hackled bird"




This line has also produced spangleds:





Here's some vid stills of about the only other bird I've seen come this color and I have virtually no info on this bird other than it is unrelated to the line of Clarets above (these stills are of a Bobby Boles Asil):





It'll be interesting to see what light might be shed on this color

 

[Chris09]

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They almost look like a Spangled that is starting to "Pyle".

Chris

 

[upthecreek]

I'm no guru of any kind but i've been in game fowl for over 59 years .
What we get out of our fowl is what's in them .

Shannon Nelson
South Alabama

 

[Vcomb]

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They almost look like a Spangled that is starting to "Pyle".

Chris

Chris,

At a glance I'd agree but what is strange is that it doesn't affect the tail from what I can tell and instead of masking the color is is restricting it down to teardrop shaped ends. To me the most striking thing about it is that it affects the shoulders and back.



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Shannon,

I agree which is why I asked him what he knew about the Lowmans, but he said they went into this line way before he even got ahold of them.

 

[Chris09]

Chris,

At a glance I'd agree but what is strange is that it doesn't affect the tail from what I can tell and instead of masking the color is is restricting it down to teardrop shaped ends. To me the most striking thing about it is that it affects the shoulders and back.

By chance are these Slipspur's birds?

Chris

 

[Henk69]

They are hen colored wheaten based. Very interesting, and not ugly...

 

[Vcomb]

By chance are these Slipspur's birds?

Chris

Yep they are Slip's. I asked him if he minded me posting he said go for it.

They are hen colored wheaten based. Very interesting, and not ugly...

So Henk you are saying they are taking after the hen's coloration but are not fully displaying it and are maintaining the male's plumage structure? I plan to ask him to take pics of any chicks from these birds this year to see what they look like, see if anything appears to be unusual.

 

[Henk69]

So Henk you are saying they are taking after the hen's coloration but are not fully displaying it and are maintaining the male's plumage structure? I plan to ask him to take pics of any chicks from these birds this year to see what they look like, see if anything appears to be unusual.

Yes, that is my theory.

 

[Chris09]

Yep they are Slip's. I asked him if he minded me posting he said go for it.

I thought they might be, I thought I remembered seein Slip post some birds like these.

Chris

 

[Vcomb]

Ok so do you guys suspect this is a recessive trait, a mutation or a combination of traits? I talked to another guy who got the clayback's uncle and some hens of the same line. He too, has had some of them pop up in his Clarets. BUT what I find interesting is he also had one or two come out this color when crossed onto another bloodline that was unrelated (some roundheads).

The other guy (Jaber) told me that they can't really be identified until they are almost reaching maturity and have their adult colors.

Any thoughts? Slipspur told me he no longer has the mother to the claybacks, she was killed by a predator but he suspects the broodcock might be producing them since his brother produced some of the other guy.