Cocci vac

[seminolewind]

From what I'm understanding cocci is like MG. Its already in the birds and its just a matter of to what degree. I hear everyone say to close your flock if you've had a case of MG or cocci but it's in every back yard flock. If your birds feet touch soil they have it. The only birds that do not are commercial. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know the NPIP tests for neither of these things.

NPIP does not test for cocci. MG-I don't know.

I have used the vaccine. I have used the feed. Medicated feed contains an anti-coccidial med, not dead oocysts.

Neither one is a guarantee. I've had chicks get cocci even on these things. Vaccines and medicated feeds to me lessen the possibility of getting cocci, but they don't prevent it. I used nothing for 6 years, and treated for symptoms. Now I get them vaccinated if I can. I don't feed medicated feed. No matter what I use or don't use, I still watch them for coccidiosis. And have the medication on hand so they get it right away.

 

[fishbum]

The NPIP says they don't test for MG because its naturally in the soil?. So if birds are on the ground they say they would test positive even if birds were never sick. I'm still learning so I'm not disregarding any information or experiences I'm just trying to weed through it all. So I'm imagining the cocci to be much the same in the way that if you have birds you have cocci to some degree naturally. I wasn't insisting that the transmission or life cycles were the same.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

I think you're right on the last point. Some species of coccidia are virtually everywhere. So if they forage, they'll likely be exposed but developing immunity. Not all species are everywhere. So, if birds have been exposed but moved to another farm, they may contact other strains.

I don't however, believe that MG is in the soil everywhere. I could be wrong. If someone has evidence, I'd like to hear about it.

 

[fishbum]

Well I looked high and low for the report from the NPIP with no luck. However, I think your right chick canoe. MG has no cell wall therefore can't live without a host cell due to some osmotic thing.

BUT; if MG is brought on by bad ventilation and or stressors ect where did it come from to begin with? I subscribe to Dawins theory so there are no flies in the jar with the lid so I don't believe it was Devine and came out of thin air. With that said would in not be safe to say that almost all backyard flocks have MG but it doesn't show unless there is a stressor?

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Mostly brought in with new birds or wild birds that are carriers.
It's fairly common but not nearly as universally present as cocci IMHO. Practicing good biosecurity, don't visit other flocks nor let other flock keepers visit yours.
http://www.gapoultrylab.org/wp-cont...coplasma handout for Backyard Flocks 4-12.pdf

 

[seminolewind]

I think NPIP is what can be transmitted from the hen to the egg to the chick. There are quite a few bacteria/cocci that chickens normally carry but are kept in check by "good" bacteria and a healthy immune system. Problem is when a hen is lacking enough good bacteria or has a lowered immune system, it allows the bad bacteria/cocci to multiply like crazy and kill the bird.

With a cocci vac, you can't use medicated feed. I feel like the cocci vaccine does help a lot, and possibly give an owner more time to start treating. I've had cocci victims non vaccinated show symptoms and die a day later. Some don't keep the meds on hand. I deal with Marek's in my flock, and that virus causes immunosuppression. So it goes hand in hand with cocci. I keep meds on hand, especially sulfadimethoxine, which kills cocci, and is an antibiotic as well.

 

[fishbum]

NPIP is the National Poultry Improvement Plan

 

[DocumentedPure]

Here is the information from NPIP on their disease control, it is a long read but hopefully will answer all of the questions you have.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ghuMA0&usg=AFQjCNHNQX-ziCc80rFSr1U2ATVWxnd_wg