Coco pop seramas Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

[SunValleySeramas]

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I actually agree with you 100 percent, but i like many I am new to chickens and have mastered horse colors but not near understanding serama colors and the color genettic part. I was asked for breeders that will produce cocopops, when i bought my foundation stock, and i did go to a reputable serama breeder!! I am hoping to develop some fantastic birds using my foundation stock, like many things it will take hard work and dedication, The white roo with some carmel in him is from a cocopop sire bred to his sister, he is not cocopop himself put possibly with the chocolate box breeding i can get a few then isolate the males and breed them back to some hens. I find this color just amazing and hope that one day with lots of work among us it will breed true!! Until them i will be true to my self and true to the birds, IF the white roo throws any chicks with white in the lobes he will be retired and kept as a pet, however most serama fans out there PREACH type then color. I spoke with Jerry and he said at this point in time in the game to look at the bird as though it is a blk and white pic..... I dunno it is a long path but it is going to be fun!!

funny you say that cara cause in true is if you dont have that color it will never be bread true of anything. LOL reason why is your coco pop is not even the right color so how will you get coco pop if you dont have the color to start your breeding anyway. To you I say good luck on breeding let me know how its coming along and if you ever reach your goal.
As for me im on the otherside of the US so can talk to you one on one about this color and breed but like joey say I will let my work for this color to speak for it self and hope more can add to this thread. I agreed this should be a group so gumbii let me know if you want to team up and start just this color and my restart when i get back.

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I am not worried, THanks for your good wishes on my project, I hope to contribute some pics of chicks that i hatch in the months to come!! Let me know how the birds you get from GRADY TURN OUT!!

 

[gumbii]

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I don't mean to be rude but are you aware that the funny thing is on you????? What you wrote tell everyone you have limited knowlege to no knowlege on chicken breeding and how childish you are, lets not even talk about serama...

FYI,
1) Cocopop gene carrier x cocopop hen or any hen will produce cocopop.
2) White earlopes gene can be eliminated through selective breeding.
3) Cocopop carrier x cocopop carrier will also produce recessive white and pumkin offsprings. I am working on F1xF1.
4) The pair I sold you is proven but you still need additional genes to produce show champ. Why do you think I kept my large birds with good type??
5) Class B x class B will not always produce class B & A offsprings.

If you keep on talking trash or making fun about other people and their birds, please take my name off of your conversation. I want to live in peace.

Hank69, you can correct me if I am wrong.....I know you know more about serama than any of us.

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joey, you totally beat me to the punch... i was just thinking of a list to type down when i was reading his post... and you totally took the words out of my mouth...

a breeding project like captain cocopop, or any named morph isn't something you can get just by breeding two birds together... it takes generations and a good structural breeding plan... it's not about getting cool birds and making cool babies... that doesn't work right... you're not going to be showing all of your culs are you...? also, your culs shouldn't be sold for a lot of money as well...



just sayinnnn...

 

[LAseramas KP]

joey no disrespect to you I say what I say cause I have nothing to hide unlike some ppl on the forum like to trash talk behind ppl back and in front of you they act like your friend but behind your back its a different story. I dont need to name names they know who they are. Some ppl just dont want anyone to have something that they do have. But we will see what I can come up with but the pair i got from you is sold long gone to a friend of mine the only thing i have from them is four chicks that I gave to my dad to deal with if he like he can keep them if not he can sell them off. I dont really care about that right now cause im not even in cali but now on the east coast. I know you mean well joey and you are a stand up guy hands down and im sorry if you feel i bring you in to something that you dont want to be in thats fine I respect that and I will leave it as that ....

 

[LAseramas KP]

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This is great info on the breed and its color with all the pics too love reading all the thread thank you so much for all the knowledge !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[aprophet]

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I don't mean to be rude but are you aware that the funny thing is on you????? What you wrote tell everyone you have limited knowlege to no knowlege on chicken breeding and how childish you are, lets not even talk about serama...

FYI,
1) Cocopop gene carrier x cocopop hen or any hen will produce cocopop.
2) White earlopes gene can be eliminated through selective breeding.
3) Cocopop carrier x cocopop carrier will also produce recessive white and pumkin offsprings. I am working on F1xF1.
4) The pair I sold you is proven but you still need additional genes to produce show champ. Why do you think I kept my large birds with good type??
5) Class B x class B will not always produce class B & A offsprings.

If you keep on talking trash or making fun about other people and their birds, please take my name off of your conversation. I want to live in peace.

Hank69, you can correct me if I am wrong.....I know you know more about serama than any of us.

LOLOLOLOLJKAHAHHAHAHAHHADLKjflds;kjf;klsdjf;lsdjfla;sdjfasdjfasdjkfasjdkflajdsf...



joey, you totally beat me to the punch... i was just thinking of a list to type down when i was reading his post... and you totally took the words out of my mouth...

a breeding project like captain cocopop, or any named morph isn't something you can get just by breeding two birds together... it takes generations and a good structural breeding plan... it's not about getting cool birds and making cool babies... that doesn't work right... you're not going to be showing all of your culs are you...? also, your culs shouldn't be sold for a lot of money as well...





just sayinnnn...

this is one way of doing it ....but if when you cull your birds you only tell them they are a barnyard bantys and not a serama you do not have irresponsible people breeding culls and trying to cash in on the serama

the cocopop is it because of the lacing on the feathers are is it a certain color combo I have a few I think are cocopop I was wondering just what made them this color / pattern

 

[SunValleySeramas]

Cool, Ken man I dont know what chcnged your mind!! Here is a direct quote that LA Seramas sent to another BYC member I think I am the cara you are pertaining to correct!! "hmm sweet talk nope just seramas talk from one breeder to the other she and i understand how to breed seramas the right way that is why i love how she breeds her seramas to breed true to their color like her coco pop line from grady taylor and jerry S"

I dunno, I think we should work together as a team, and make this a fun thing. I had posted a while ago about being careful bla bla bla.. People will learn for them selves about buying birds and who from. After the last meet up i really did enjoy ust eatching the poeple whith their pet quality birds and the joy and love they had for them, really oopened my eyes!!

The cocopop color that we are all interested in is going to be a bouncy ride, We need to start with good stock, I have three true cocopop roos at home. I do not have them posted on my web sight nor do i have them on BYC I will after the show coming up. I have the patients, and there is lots of great advise and support on this thread, I must say i have learnt lots... My dream like any other person trying to hard wire the cocopop color is to have adult breeders that produce them selves. Right now I am Just establishing my flock for the secod time. I must use this breeding stock, evaluate the chicks, and them use them as my recipe to create the color i desire... I single mate all my birds i know what roo is with what hen, and i mark the babies accordingly when they hatch, that way i know what breeders are creating what color patterns, desirable or not!! Form there i know who to place with whom.

Joey you are ahead of the game, line breeding and develping some strong traits, once you have them , you are locking them in and moving forward.
Ken i am sure that you have some great chicks as well from joeys birds, they had been prooven producers of the cocopop color and produced Joeys beautiful little laced cocopop roo. Those birds are keepers, for who ever not has them..

BEST OF LUCK TO ALL WHO ARE WORKING HARD ON THIS PROJECT!!

 

[ocseramas]

I love the cocopop color as much as the next guy but personally, I"m far more interested in type. Absent type, the color doesn't really matter. I started with excellent foundation stock and am working from there. I feel that I have birds with excellent bloodlines and shows in their type. Since serama are not judged at serama shows on their "color" whatsoever and the vast majority of points is allotted for "type" and "character," shouldn't the issue here be that of breeding a bird of "type" and "character?" As long as the color is attractive, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, what's the real issue? Call it cocopop, call it off white, call it butterscotch or call it pumpking - the real question here is "IS it PRETTY and ATTRACTIVE and does the bird have good TYPE?"

Breed for type first then worry about the color. The American Serama still has a ways to go in this area to breed true and consistent on type so is it really appropriate to argue about color at this point? Cara, I LOVE the color of your birds and to me, personally, I think they are amazing. And, I don't care how large or how small those birds are, they have TYPE and that's what I care about in breeding. You should be able to go a long way and contribute to the breed with those beauties. Keep doing what you're doing. Same applies to Joey, beautiful birds and they TYPE! I don't care what you are crossing with what - it works!

 

[SunValleySeramas]

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WOW Kate thanks soooo much, that means allot coming from an SCNA judge!!! I agree with the type but i cannot have hundred of birds and keep them all, so the ones i do keep will be with the focas of type with the goal color. I am happy with my birds and think that they are all within a great size. mt white, carmel roo is 17 oz which i dont think is huge, he is breeding stock. MY favorite little hen RJ, is acually from a roo that was given to me, His name was randy he was 22 oz at 4 yrs old. RJ is pushing 11 monthis and she is 10oz. The serama is a hard game to play, but yeah type,color. I am going to have to balance the two!!!!

 

[bigb-71]

I could not have said it any better. breed for type.

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[gumbii]

that's crazy that you say "american serama"... since i already see huge differences in type from the two... the breeders in malaysia breed for type and short feathers... short neck, saddle and tail feathers... over here all of the serama i see have long neck, saddle and tail feathers... especially the sickle feathers... all rounded and "oegb" like... i guess america likes BIG asside from short... the same with european OEGB... they have tiny short tail feathers... over here the bigger the better...