Coco pop seramas Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

[LAseramas KP]

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tell joey and cara that kate and see what they will tell you lol

Im just learning and then I will start breeding again but I dont have the right color and a few very nice type but not breeding nothing till I get back home

you do have the right color because you still have the breeders you got from joey, or your dad does!! keep a daughter that is cocopop or that chocolate color back to the dad any you will have a great start!! Y spend more money if you ahve what you are looking for infront of you. You also have some of my cocopop stock chicks!! I know they are not sold they are with your father, use them....

Yea I know but sadly I sold him to my friend so I do not have joey's or should I say jerry cocoapop. I only keep two pair from my breeding and they look just like joey rooster and as for the chicks I got from you I only have one left. The other one die remember Im not playing around it was sad and my dad love the chick very sad to see it die a day later when I got it from you anyway I got money to spend and this is a hobby so I dont care as long as it relax me when im at home time ..... That's why I kept them. It's for my enjoyment and spend time with my dad father and son lol. My little boy also love these little birds very much a gave him a chick and he walks around the yard with him and plays with him in his sandbox at home cute to watch them play in the backyard. My wife loves animals but I just cant doing anything right now not home!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ocseramas]

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tell joey and cara that kate and see what they will tell you lol

Im just learning and then I will start breeding again but I dont have the right color and a few very nice type but not breeding nothing till I get back home

I think it is apparent from the bird that Joey has bred and Cara as well that they both agree with the fact that type is #1 and then worry about the color. Besides, if I can breed two birds and stamp out identical offspring, I'm not so sure I want that. I like the fact that I get a variety of color, i.e. a cocopop, a laced cocopop, a pumpkin, etc. That's what makes this fun and not dull and boring like stamping out a model.

 

[gumbii]

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Gumbii, the opal oegb is not recognized variety but Ron Smith, Carl and few other breeders came up with the standard draft of the variety and they are lobbying for the acceptance of it in aba and apa. Same thing with the white variety in serama, SCNA members got them breed true and accepted by the aba. We can do it with the cocopop serama variety if we want it to.

yes you "can" do that... but then it's going to be very hard to produce some cocopops from scratch... they will all have to come from the first creator of the cocopop color variation...


i think the best way to get them to breed true, is to isolate all of the genes... like get a strain going of just columbian based buffs, colombian whites, or columbian dun... then go on with the spangle, then with the double laced birchen, then dun patridge... that's how people really create other color variations... they just don't start breeding until they have it... although the seramas already have all the color genes all up in each serama already, it might be a bit quicker to get it, but not easier...

you're going to need to line breed 4 completely unrelated cocopop pairs, and after 7th generation or more, pair them up and start all over again... that should be enough to take out a number of genetic traits, but if they do have recessive white, that's a tough one... that means you can start getting self blues if you take out the white gene amirite...? or was it blue...? LOL... i need to read more books...

 

[aprophet]

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tell joey and cara that kate and see what they will tell you lol

Im just learning and then I will start breeding again but I dont have the right color and a few very nice type but not breeding nothing till I get back home

I think it is apparent from the bird that Joey has bred and Cara as well that they both agree with the fact that type is #1 and then worry about the color. Besides, if I can breed two birds and stamp out identical offspring, I'm not so sure I want that. I like the fact that I get a variety of color, i.e. a cocopop, a laced cocopop, a pumpkin, etc. That's what makes this fun and not dull and boring like stamping out a model.

I am not sure why But one hen and rooster is giving me just 3 different colored chicks, it sounds like "cocopop" is more of a pattern rather then a color

 

[LAseramas KP]

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Gumbii, the opal oegb is not recognized variety but Ron Smith, Carl and few other breeders came up with the standard draft of the variety and they are lobbying for the acceptance of it in aba and apa. Same thing with the white variety in serama, SCNA members got them breed true and accepted by the aba. We can do it with the cocopop serama variety if we want it to.

yes you "can" do that... but then it's going to be very hard to produce some cocopops from scratch... they will all have to come from the first creator of the cocopop color variation...


i think the best way to get them to breed true, is to isolate all of the genes... like get a strain going of just columbian based buffs, colombian whites, or columbian dun... then go on with the spangle, then with the double laced birchen, then dun patridge... that's how people really create other color variations... they just don't start breeding until they have it... although the seramas already have all the color genes all up in each serama already, it might be a bit quicker to get it, but not easier...

you're going to need to line breed 4 completely unrelated cocopop pairs, and after 7th generation or more, pair them up and start all over again... that should be enough to take out a number of genetic traits, but if they do have recessive white, that's a tough one... that means you can start getting self blues if you take out the white gene amirite...? or was it blue...? LOL... i need to read more books...

how can you if they are came from the original cocoapop and that was from jerry yes jerry not grady. Jerry sold the original to grady after he got it back from someone he sold it to before grady was the last one that end up with him and breed alot out but jerry still has a good stock of them. Grady never did really get them down to size but he does have one or two here and their that are A class but thats it. So all cocoapop came from Jerry bloodline period and the original cocoapop is the only seramas to ever score a 99 point out of 100 when he was judge. So cara your cocoapop is still related to my cocoapop cause its the same bloodline.. Just yours is different in color but then again you know this.

 

[ocseramas]

I don't think that you can consider an 11oz cocoapop as needing to "really get them down to size!" Grady Taylor has 4 pens with 10-11oz cocoapop hens that are all fertile, 2 micro cocks that are vertile as well. I have 2 A's size cocoapop males right now from Grady, a cocoapop A hen, and Bill just bought a less than 11oz cocoapop laying hen from Grady. I think that Grady has done a fantastic job on getting the size down. The original cocoapop was a larger bird and both Grady and Jerry have done a terrific job on keeping the color and reducing the size. I think if the size is reduced any more there will be a lot of health issues for these birds

 

[SunValleySeramas]

Ken are you aware that Jerry imported the serama to the USA!! all serama come from jerry, then other people sutch as myself, grady, joey and others breed them in our programs, to our liking.. I dont this this forum is about who started what and trying to proove something, you like to throw names around' Jerry, grady,. kate, joey, me" like i use a credit card!! be confident in your self start something of your own and move on from the high school drama.. We are all aware of who the first cocopop came from! none of us go Naming names, some breeders have gotten birds from jerry , bred them in there programs and MOved the serama ahead leaps and bounds!! most of the good breeders and the people who knpow hopw to breed consistant traits in to chickens, are old cockers. All i can say is be humble, keep your mouth closed, LISTEN AND LEARN!!

 

[ocseramas]

Well put, Cara!

 

[YB192004]

I don't know if you all feel the same way or not but I believe once you buy a bird and introduce it to another to produce offspring; The line belongs to you. The breeder that you bought the birds from has no control over how you pair your birds for mating purposes. In the same regards, advertising offspring from your birds as "birds from some well known breeder that you bought your birds " is actually being dishonest for the same reason, the original breeder had no control of your pairings. Your chicken lays the eggs= your bloodline

I think honesty is key no matter what. Ok you buy two breeding pairs from a well known breeder, let say they are pair 1 and pair two. They are good quality birds but even good quality can throw bad. So you take offspring from each and set up breeding pens all still using the birds or offspring from the original two pairs. At that point it would be unfair of you to classify the resulting offspring from these new pens as the original breeders lines even though they all have the original blood lines in them. You most likely didn't cull to the standards of the original breeder. The choice of pairings was yours not theirs. You can tell people that your original blood lines came from so and so breeder but I would think it important to clarify that you are now the breeder of your lines. If you are breeding, not to the original standards or thoughts of the breeder your birds came from, they are your lines now, own it. Otherwise you may be just using their name to sell your birds or eggs, unfairly so.

Its just my 2 cents...

 

[juliette2009]

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X2!

Juliette