Coco pop seramas Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Aren't you aware that there is no written standard for cocopop color in the US???? Those standards that I posted earlier were the recognized variations of cocopop in Europe. Without the written standards for cocopop in the US, what make you think Jerry's and / or yours a cocopop and others not????? No disrespect Jerry, I just want to get my point a cross.
 
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Aren't you aware that there is no written standard for cocopop color in the US???? Those standards that I posted earlier were the recognized variations of cocopop in Europe. Without the written standards for cocopop in the US, what make you think Jerry's and / or yours a cocopop and others not????? No disrespect Jerry, I just want to get my point a cross.

I know this I just want to make a point. Im not saying mine or yours or jerry's or anyone for that matters cause I was reading the old post remembering what you said breed coco pop rooster to any hen it will be coco pop how I may ask joey I agreed that they might carry some genes but if not the right color they are not coco pop period...........for all I know they might never breed true but then again how do ppls keep getting the blues or the blacks or chocolates?????????? Or should we just throw away the book when it come to breeding seramas to breed true to their color like SIG an expert in chicken breeding said....
 
If what you say is true joey then there is no point to breeding any color you can call a wheaton coco pop and a black and white mottled coco pop you can even call a blue coco pop their is no point in breeding if their is no standard and breeding for type type type wouldnt be as fun to raise. If every color is what ever right !!!!!!!!!!
 
The funny thing about breeding this coco pop color to a cocopop hen is that now and then you will get a white chicken I know this is true cause I got two from my pair and I know kate from OCseramas does too and cara got two when I saw them why is that ...... So what color should I call it then joey white or coco pop ???????????
 
there is no cocopop gene... joey already made that known... just like there is no mille fleur gene... it's actually a number of genes that makes them what they are... mille fleur is patridge based, columbian, and mottled... cocopop is a series of genetic color traits that make it a cocopop... i don't know them, because i didn't try to memories what joey fwded... no offense to joey, i just don't want to memories a genetic buildup of a chicken color that isn't recognized...
 
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well put so what is any of us trying to breed a color that cant and may never be recognized cause there are so much color genes that make up this wonderful color
 
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I have not breed any of my cocopop to a cocopop female or dunn female and gotten all white! I may not get cocopop but I certainly have not gotten all white. I will get dunn or I have some hens that are white with red on them but absolutely never white.
 
Many, many seramas carry recessive white. When two such seramas are paired up, 25% of their offspring will be white. This does not mean the parents are any less true coco pops. It just means they carry some extra genetic "baggage" that should be weeded out if your goal is to have true-breeding coco pops.
 
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I have not breed any of my cocopop to a cocopop female or dunn female and gotten all white! I may not get cocopop but I certainly have not gotten all white. I will get dunn or I have some hens that are white with red on them but absolutely never white.

last time I was their and saw a white chick I ask is he for sell you say no and I ask you kate who was the parent to that white chick and you say the coco pop ??????? and you said it was a freak of nature so he didnt turn out all white is that what your saying ??????
 
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Well Ken, I think the reason for this factor be because the cocopop color at this point in most breeding programs, is not breeding true.
For instance I am working on the first generation. I had a plan to breed cocopop parents back to correct color type pullets/cockerels. That way i can lock in some of the correct trates that i am searching for. unfortunetly i was set back once again, by my foundation stock being stollen, that little hen you liked the really small one with the short legged roo to the far right pen
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, and my pumpkin colored roo
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dissapeared several days after you saw them, sooo i do not have the parents to breed the chicks back to!!
When I breed my birds I single pen mate them, that means i have a hen to a pen by her self, and i choose a compadable roo to place with her, i rotate my roo from each hen pen while they are laying eggs, that way i know who fertalised each egg and i know exactly how each egg came from!!
When the hen gets broody i no longer bring the roo to her, that way when the chicks hatch, i can mark them and i know EXACTLY who the parents are.
My one hen was a doubble laced latte looking colored bird, when i bred her with my pumpkin roo one out of each batch had come out a beautiful chocolate brown color, I also got 25% cocopop colored chicks then an array of other colors. I wanted to keep the cocopop colored roo and breed it back to the hen seeing as she had produced cocopop with two different roosters. Most in the serama world will say they breed like A BOX OF CHOCOLATES' which for the most part they do,

If people like you are I are going to work on a Color such as cocopop it will be several generations of correct partnering and selective breeding to establish uniformity.. The serama is an amazing little birds with many possibilities when breeding them. It is up to us when we start out programs to guide our breeding prograns the best we can.
It was me that said i have a chocolate looking chick, come from the breeding i explained, I actually dont even know what color to call that chick, but she looks like a mahogany chocolate color, she is bonnie on my chick page on my websight, She is the only chick i currently have posted that is still with me, I am absaloutly thrilled with the quality of the animals that I am getting and for me although i still want correct color i want Type then color, this limits me to keeping just a few birds, LESS IS MORE!! I am sure when it comes together it will come together well.
Ken I hope this explaines why I carahamer got a chocolate looking chick!!

As for your above statements in regards to a white chick, down color changes, From that same pumpkin roo and this hen
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I got one pure white pullet, and one roo that is mostly white and some carmel in her tail.

Ken i think you need to do lots of reading on the serama, both of singrids books are excellent. The cocopop color is not an easy path, it is mutch harder than developing some other color patterns.. Bashing people is not going to make you freinds.. This is a small world of the seramas, for the most part the people are honest, and love their bird. Be careful who you bash, you may step on one to many toes!! This is supposed to be fun and educational!!
 
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