Color genetics thread.

[Wappoke]

I have a Blue Cochin and was wondering if I got a Partridge Cochin hen, would chicks look similar to this?

the cross would produce some blue partridge and some partridge.

 

[Chicken5555]

Her chick down color indicates she is not birchen but brown/wild type at the E locus. I will have to go back and rethink the genetics.

I believe the speckled sussex is a parent- that is where the restrictors, mahogany and autosomal red came from.

Not sure if this will help, but here is a close up of two feathers from Sassy. The longer one is a hackle feather, the shorter one is from the side of her crop. The breast feathers in the front look pretty much like the shorter one except that they are trimmed in that cream color.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

I don't know if anyone can help me with my question...but here goes.

First off let me say that I am working with what I've got...and having fun doing it...but no, I wouldn't have necessarily chose to start this way....it just happened.

Barnevelders are very hard to find in my area, but last year I managed to purchase 2 at an exclusive feed store that I'm pretty sure came from Ideal.

As luck would have it, both were males. I kept the nicest looking one (the other had a funky comb). Barney (yeah, original, I know) has an extremely sweet temper and is excellent with his ladies, especially protecting the broodies with their chicks....so I kept him as my one and only roo....I love my Barney.

I already had Marans which lay about a 5 on the scale....one of which is a Splash Marans. (The other is a Black Copper Marans, which I'm not thrilled with as she lays the weirdest long pointy eggs).

Yup...couldn't resist....hatched some Barnevelder--Splash Marans because I knew I would get blue...got 3 lovely little chicks which are gorgeous blue-grey.

I don't know how dark Barney's egg line may be as none of his daughters are laying quite yet, although should be soon (to test him I've put him over my Cal Greys, Rhodebars, and of course Cream Legbars, all of which gave me some nice sex linked hybrids).

I understand Barney is double laced, and has been adding the nice brown background for the chipmunk sex linking.

I don't know what the greys will look like as to markings, but the Cream Legbar pullet (the other 3 were roos) has the appearance of a Barnevelder pullet at this early stage....dark background with gold penciling....hoping some lacing will show up, but I know that it will only have half the lacing pattern...incomplete? as only Barney has lacing.

Okay...long story to get to question....I'm pretty sure the Grey Splash-Marans/Barnevelders will have some lacing, probably black, if I breed those F1 daughters back to Barney...shouldn't I begin to see better lacing? I know F2 will produce 50% black and 50% grey.

What will F2 look like with those that are grey with then a complete set of double lacing....will I begin to see some grey with black double lacing occurring?

What will I have to add to the line to begin to turn that black lacing into silver on blue rather than the black on blue I'm expecting to get.

Thanks for any direction you can give me.
LofMc

 

[junebuggena]

I don't know if anyone can help me with my question...but here goes.

First off let me say that I am working with what I've got...and having fun doing it...but no, I wouldn't have necessarily chose to start this way....it just happened.

Barnevelders are very hard to find in my area, but last year I managed to purchase 2 at an exclusive feed store that I'm pretty sure came from Ideal.

As luck would have it, both were males. I kept the nicest looking one (the other had a funky comb). Barney (yeah, original, I know) has an extremely sweet temper and is excellent with his ladies, especially protecting the broodies with their chicks....so I kept him as my one and only roo....I love my Barney.

I already had Marans which lay about a 5 on the scale....one of which is a Splash Marans. (The other is a Black Copper Marans, which I'm not thrilled with as she lays the weirdest long pointy eggs).

Yup...couldn't resist....hatched some Barnevelder--Splash Marans because I knew I would get blue...got 3 lovely little chicks which are gorgeous blue-grey.

I don't know how dark Barney's egg line may be as none of his daughters are laying quite yet, although should be soon (to test him I've put him over my Cal Greys, Rhodebars, and of course Cream Legbars, all of which gave me some nice sex linked hybrids).

I understand Barney is double laced, and has been adding the nice brown background for the chipmunk sex linking.

I don't know what the greys will look like as to markings, but the Cream Legbar pullet (the other 3 were roos) has the appearance of a Barnevelder pullet at this early stage....dark background with gold penciling....hoping some lacing will show up, but I know that it will only have half the lacing pattern...incomplete? as only Barney has lacing.

Okay...long story to get to question....I'm pretty sure the Grey Splash-Marans/Barnevelders will have some lacing, probably black, if I breed those F1 daughters back to Barney...shouldn't I begin to see better lacing? I know F2 will produce 50% black and 50% grey.

What will F2 look like with those that are grey with then a complete set of double lacing....will I begin to see some grey with black double lacing occurring?

What will I have to add to the line to begin to turn that black lacing into silver on blue rather than the black on blue I'm expecting to get.

Thanks for any direction you can give me.
LofMc

The answer is...maybe. Lacing is complicated and requires multiple genes to be present. Double lacing is even more complex. You may see some improvement in the lacing, or you may not. It all depends on what genes the girls have, and what ends up being inherited by the F2 chicks.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

The answer is...maybe. Lacing is complicated and requires multiple genes to be present. Double lacing is even more complex. You may see some improvement in the lacing, or you may not. It all depends on what genes the girls have, and what ends up being inherited by the F2 chicks.

Thank you for the reply.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought...I'm going to wait to see what develops with the lacing in the F1...then if I'm lucky may recapture enough in the F2....or not.j

I assume pick the best laced to breed back in hopes that lacing improves. In time (by gen 3 or 4 latest) breed best siblings from different gens.

What makes the light silver on blue background of the Silver Laced Barnevelder? Just curious.

LofMc

 

[junebuggena]

Thank you for the reply.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought...I'm going to wait to see what develops with the lacing in the F1...then if I'm lucky may recapture enough in the F2....or not.j

I assume pick the best laced to breed back in hopes that lacing improves. In time (by gen 3 or 4 latest) breed best siblings from different gens.

What makes the light silver on blue background of the Silver Laced Barnevelder? Just curious.

LofMc

Silver Laced don't have Blue, to the best of my knowledge. They are silver base color, with the black, double lace pattern.

 

[Chicken5555]

My splash color olive egger cockerel is growing cuckoo hackles. This leads me to believe that he came from a cuckoo hen instead of a splash hen just like his brother (blue with cuckoo saddle and hackle feathers) But, how did this guy get a random splattering of cuckoo hackle and saddle feathers when his brother's cuckoo markings are pretty evenly distributed in those areas? Does it have to do with the way the two copies of blue breaks up the base color? Is blue/black/splash co-dominant with cuckoo pattern? or is the cuckoo showing up because it is sex-linked? Thank you for being patient with all of my curiosity.
EDIT - oh, and if it showing up because cuckoo is sex linked, why aren't they are solid cuckoo?

first picture = father

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Silver Laced don't have Blue, to the best of my knowledge. They are silver base color, with the black, double lace pattern.

I should have been more accurate in my question....I'm thinking of the Blue Laced Barnevelder...the lacing appears lighter than the blue background...what color is the lacing...white?

and yes, Silver is a different color than Blue.

From my reading, Blue Laced Barnevelders are typically single laced rather than double.

It will be interesting to see what patterns come about on the blue background and the lacing genes I've got.

LofMc

 

[junebuggena]

My splash color olive egger cockerel is growing cuckoo hackles. This leads me to believe that he came from a cuckoo hen instead of a splash hen just like his brother (blue with cuckoo saddle and hackle feathers) But, how did this guy get a random splattering of cuckoo hackle and saddle feathers when his brother's cuckoo markings are pretty evenly distributed in those areas? Does it have to do with the way the two copies of blue breaks up the base color? Is blue/black/splash co-dominant with cuckoo pattern? or is the cuckoo showing up because it is sex-linked? Thank you for being patient with all of my curiosity. EDIT - oh, and if it showing up because cuckoo is sex linked, why aren't they are solid cuckoo? first picture = father

The Blue/Splash gene can inhibit or limit barring/cuckoo. The Splash had to have had a Blue cuckoo/barred mother, but her barring may be very hard to see.

 

[Chicken5555]

@junebuggena Thank you! I love learning about how and why chickens has different markings