Color outcome

[WesternKYchickens]

So I'm not new to chickens and especially to cochin bantams, but I am new to crossing self blue with blue. What I was wondering is if anyone knew what the color outcome is going to be for me crossing my self blue cochin bantam rooster with my black frizzle cochin bantam hen. Thank you.

 

[AusHen]

Lavender (aka self blue) is recessive so if you cross it to black all chicks will be black and split to lavender.
Avoid breeding self blue to blue, they are separate genes that work in different ways and can be a huge pain to breeders if it finds it's way into a BBS pen

 

[WesternKYchickens]

Lavender (aka self blue) is recessive so if you cross it to black all chicks will be black and split to lavender.
Avoid breeding self blue to blue, they are separate genes that work in different ways and can be a huge pain to breeders if it finds it's way into a BBS pen

Thank you for the information, and the heads up. I will def. Stay away from that combo.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

So I'm not new to chickens and especially to cochin bantams, but I am new to crossing self blue with blue. What I was wondering is if anyone knew what the color outcome is going to be for me crossing my self blue cochin bantam rooster with my black frizzle cochin bantam hen. Thank you.

Hi there, welcome to BYC!

Also... from your first cross that gives you all black split to lav... when you breed those back to lav, will get lav offspring. Or bred back to each other... will give 50% black and 50% lav.

I'm going to partly agree with the previous poster... but note that I DO intend on using blue with my Lavs... expecting it breed the same way black does... Yes, I do consider myself to be a breeder not a multiplier.. and am no stranger to project colors... but still have TONS to learn about genetics... and not saying all my ideas are good!

Whether you choose to call it lavender or self blue may depend on the breed and if it's been accepted into their standard of perfection already, and which one they agreed upon. I haven't worked with Cochin, so am not aware of their preference.

I think aside from just color... it would be nice to know how the frizzle cross smooth will present in the offspring... or will it?!

@The Moonshiner, @sylviethecochin @nicalandia might any of you be able to offer a complete answer for the OP and maybe even comment about my lav cross blue intent and what the fallout might be? TIA!

 

[The Moonshiner]

You'll have a 50% chance of black chicks and a 50% chance of blue chicks.
All will carry one lavender gene sight unseen.
Also 50/50 on frizzled and non frizzled.
The problem with bringing the lavender gene into BBS birds is that with only one copy of lavender it goes sight unseen and can be passed for generations without knowing which birds may or may not have it.
Eventually you'll breed two carriers together and some lavender chicks will be hatched. If you're a serious color pure BBS breeder that becomes a nightmare because you'll have an unwanted recessive color gene that will take test breeding and a lot of time and effort to breed out.
If you're interested in breeding lavenders it isn't a big deal since when the blue gene is present it shows so you can breed that gene out easy enough.
If you don't care either way some just don't like the confusion of trying to properly id the chicks genetics which can sometimes get tricky.
Just be aware that once you mix the two that you'll want to include that info if selling chicks and it may limit sells to some breeders.

 

[WesternKYchickens]

Hi there, welcome to BYC!

Also... from your first cross that gives you all black split to lav... when you breed those back to lav, will get lav offspring. Or bred back to each other... will give 50% black and 50% lav.

I'm going to partly agree with the previous poster... but note that I DO intend on using blue with my Lavs... expecting it breed the same way black does... Yes, I do consider myself to be a breeder not a multiplier.. and am no stranger to project colors... but still have TONS to learn about genetics... and not saying all my ideas are good!

Whether you choose to call it lavender or self blue may depend on the breed and if it's been accepted into their standard of perfection already, and which one they agreed upon. I haven't worked with Cochin, so am not aware of their preference.

I think aside from just color... it would be nice to know how the frizzle cross smooth will present in the offspring... or will it?!

@The Moonshiner, @sylviethecochin @nicalandia might any of you be able to offer a complete answer for the OP and maybe even comment about my lav cross blue intent and what the fallout might be? TIA!

Usually with my frizzles depending on how many eggs I let her set on about 25% have the frizzle feathers, but all will carry the frizzle gene so they usually go good since people know that they will still get frizzle chicks even if they have a smooth feathered hen or rooster. Self Blue is the lavender in the cochin world. I'm not real sure why they arent just called lavenders like orpingtons and others but for some reason they arent. If someone knows I would love to know, I also know silkies have a self blue color instead of being called lavender. I love project colors lol. But the blue and black and self blue are always ones that throw me off. I do know to keep my blues away from my self blues when I plan on selling the babies. I always separate when I plan to sell babies so that I dont have unplanned mixes lol. I appreciate all the info. I enjoy learning new things.

 

[The Moonshiner]

The color is called self blue. (APA and ABA's idea)
The gene responsible for that color is called the lavender gene.
You'll never hear the APA or their hardcore followers refer to a bird as a laverender but outside of that world lots of people refer to birds as lavenders because that's the gene responsible of the color and many have never heard the term self blue or doesn't know it's the color of a lavender bird.

 

[WesternKYchickens]

The color is called self blue. (APA and ABA's idea)
The gene responsible for that color is called the lavender gene.
You'll never hear the APA or their hardcore followers refer to a bird as a laverender but outside of that world lots of people refer to birds as lavenders because that's the gene responsible of the color and many have never heard the term self blue or doesn't know it's the color of a lavender bird.

Thank you for teaching me something new, I was never sure of the history of the name. I've had people try to correct me before and tell me lavender and I've then corrected them right back with self blue, but now I can back up why.