Colors and breeding

[Hasve]

Hello! I've been trying to read about colors and how to breed them, and what is to be expected from a hatch, but I'm just getting more and more confused the more i read!

I have eggs in the incubator from a group with pharao, rosetta tux, rosetta females, and a italian male. What could i expect from this hatch?

Will there be any chance for more rosettas? Is Italian recessive, or will there be any chance for more italians with the pharao eggs? Will everything turn out to be pharao chicks?

This is rather confusing, and I'm starving for answers!

 

[paneubert]

Have you tried the Quail Calculator?

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm?run=coturnix

For example, when I say you have an Italian Male and Wildtype female (pharaoh), it spits out....

Color Summary:

25% Italian

25% Italian

25% Wildtype

25% Wildtype

Not sure if Rosetta and Roux would be the same, but saying Roux Tux female and Italian male spits out....
Color Summary:

12.5% Italian

12.5% Italian

12.5% Italian Tuxedo

12.5% Italian Tuxedo

12.5% Tuxedo

12.5% Tuxedo

12.5% Wildtype

12.5% Wildtype

 

[Hasve]

No, I knew it existed, but i could not find it! Thank you!
Rosetta and Roux is not the same, Rosetta is also called British Range, it's a lighter form of Tibetan I think. Not complete dark brown. I can't find it in the calculator, but when I use Tibetan tux as a parent to the Italian I get Rosettas as offspring. Oh well. I will figure out in 12 days!

 

[JaeG]

It all depends on what hidden genes your birds are carrying. I tried to use the calculator on my last hatch but my results were quite different to what it said they would be. You don't get Italian Tuxedos without a lot of work so not sure why it tells you that's a result - it said that to me too and I certainly didn't get any. It also comes up with Manchurian Rosetta for some crosses and I'm not even sure what that would be. So take it with a pinch of salt. Try your group out and see what pops up. Rosettas are my favourite.

Italian is dominant but the Pharaoh colour will influence the amount of pattern on the resulting offspring, and you should get a few Pharaoh chicks - Pharaoh is incomplete dominant. You should get some Rosettas in the mix too. Rosetta is a mix between SF (Single Factor) Tibetan and Italian.

I bred a gold based white to a single factor tibetan with a touch of white on her chest and they gave us some pretty rosettas/rosetta tuxedos, as well as a couple of very beautiful gold boys flecked with red. Here's one of them:


So it really is a box of chocolates!

 

[lomine]

The calculator is fun to play with but you have to keep a few things in mind. The calculations are going to be based on birds with 'pure genes' for those colors. Once you start crossing birds with different colors you will get birds with the visible dominate colors but they are still going to carry the recessive genes and they can pass them along to their offspring. If you got the starter birds from someone with a mixed flock you don't really know what recessive traits they are carrying.

The other thing to keep in mind in the percentages. If it says 12.5% it means every chick has a 12.5% change of coming out like that. So theoretically, if you hatched 100 eggs from the same pair you should get 12 of that color. But that's only if the genes for the two parents match the calculator. The only way to know that would be a DNA test.

Of course one of the fun things is to hatch a bunch of eggs and just see what you get. If you have a good plan for the extras you can hatch as many as you want.

 

[MageofMist]

I breed Chinese Painted quail, and hidden genes can be quite striking when they show up.

The light red is is a Red Breasted Cinnamon hen born from a regular Red Breasted and a Pied-Winged Blue Faced, while the dark reds are Blue-Faced Cinnamons (male and female), and the most striking one out of all of them is the silver tuxedo who came from two Blue Faced parents.


This is Coco and Rex.JR, the mother and father of the Blue-Faced Cinnamon female and the Silver Tuxedo.


And this is Rex, a Pied-Wing Blue-Faced Male with his mate Speckles, a Red Breasted female, and their babies when they were still fuzzballs. The Red Breasted Cinnamon and Blue-Faced male Cinnamon came from these two.

This is him with his white wing feathers showing while guarding some eggs.

 

[Hasve]

The eggs hatched sunday, and the answers to my question is: 5 italian, 6 pharaoh, and 4 rosetta/tibetan. I looked over the pictures of the parents and i'm not sure if they are tibetan or rosetta tux. I have 2 darker "normal" rosetta/tibetan chicks, and 2 chicks that looks like the pharaoh on their back, but have darker heads. Maybe 2 tibetan and 2 rosetta? Time will show how they will turn out. Not sure if anyone is tuxedo, there might be some small markings on them, but time will show. My camera is crap, so unfortunately i don't have any good pictures of them.