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I looked the VetRX up, and it doesn't look like it's an antibiotic. It looks like it's a home remedy whose base is corn syrup... I also called around to the local farm supply store and the vet, and they don't have any in stock. It is EXPENSIVE stuff online.
Keep in mind that breeders with nice stock often have to charge more for their birds because their stock is more expensive. If you are getting too good a deal then there is probably something fishy with their birds genetics. AND sometimes you pay a fortune for birds from someone that is supposed to have really nice birds and get rubbish instead. I am just speaking from experience and don't want you to have to learn from the same mistakes I have.I like buying locally because it is cheaper and dont have to pay for shipping![]()
I really like ameracaunas and brahmas and speckled sussex to name a few, these are the ones I am looking for at the moment. I know when some breeders hit the end of their season they discount some so I hunt around. I like buying from individuals because I like to puurchase from the smaller breeders, their birds are normally better quality and true. Of course there are those certain ones that are slimy breeders but I always try my hardest to chat with the person and see pics and possibly visit their place if possible so I try to not support those kind, but you get... I am looking for a couple for my daughter for her bday (yea she wanted chickens) old english game but havent found any and for the amount of money I can afford.
I currently have RIR, new hampshire, d'uccle, bantam brahma, bantam and standard EE, phoenix, Barred/columbian rock, welsummer, sebrite,
I think if you get a young gosling it will learn to be good with the ducks but it is hard to say. My sebastopols used to chase my ducks when they were all younger and now the ducks chase the geese! That is quite the sight, a small black duck chasing a giant white curly goose! I think if you bring an adult goose in it will most likely be aloof and teach your other goose to be as well. All my geese are kind of stand offish and don't necessarily want me to pet them or hand feed them but they greet me in the morning and I enjoy them for their antics. I wish they wanted to be petted but alas it is just the way they are.Thank you!
One more duck/goose question. I have been looking for a female goose as a friend for Lucy, the goose I currently have (who isn't quite old enough to decide for sure on her gender). My husband wants a female for the eggs, and I'm okay with that. We've also decided on a pilgrim because of their temprament and lower noise level than the chinese. However, I like the size of the chinese.Anyway, I am concerned about bringing a goose into the flock and having it go after my ducks, especially the khakis, which are smaller birds in the first place. I know that pilgrims tend to be very calm birds, but I still worry. What do you guys think?
Also, I'm wanting a bird that won't pressure Lucy into being more unfriendly (i.e. running away when I walk out the door). Do you think a Pilgrim would fit that description?
Oh-- I bet you were confused with Avery and I'd discussion! LOL We were just talking about the run around at the Kansas State Fair this year. They were moving sick birds out of cages and moving healthy birds into the cages without changing water, food or bedding. One of her silkies died and there are many other birds sick now. They have the whole barn on a medication in their water. I had been asking Avery if she knew which drug they were using, I was curious. We were also speculating about the conditions at the Eastern Nationals in Sedalia for the end of October. If I can get the green light-- which I think I can-- I'm going! I think I'll only bring two or three birds, though. I need to get a new 90 day certificate. That's a bummer, I need someone to test my birds again and sign off on it. BUT, I need to get them all into bands before the testing so they can be identified correctly on the form. Sigh. What kind of bands do you use? I was thinking of just ordering the plastic kind??Ok,
Columbus day starts Friday October 5th with the ballon glow. If you have never seen one, it is totally awesome!! With the balloon, it is all weather permitting.
Saturday morning they have the 5k run/walk. About 8:20 or so they have the big parade, car show, venders, entertainment around the square downtown Columbus.
This is the first year for the Ole Timers day down at the fair grounds.
Down there we will have the horse demonstrations, teams whatever, poultry swap,antique tractors, and implements. Even have a pedal tractor show in the "band stand"
We will have food venders, things to drink, and restrooms. If the day is not so nice we are going to move everything over to the covers fair barns, so Ole timers day will go on.
Now, I was reading averytds post wondering what you guys are talking about?
Don't know what I was thinking about, I meant Sedelia show.
Hawk-- this man is breeding on his own, something he wanted to try to develope his-self. As you can see they are babies, and I have to get my books out and study a little bit.
I think it would be cool to have silky with a saddle! I really didn't want the whites, but he made me a good deal. We will see how they turn out, I may just have to pick your knowledge!!
Welcome to all the newbies!!
I am so proud of this bunch of rosecombs. I was tickled to find the new baby this afternoon. Been letting some of the older girls that went broody to hatch babies. Show careers are over so motherhood here we go. Besides, they are cheaper than running the incubator!
This litttle girl is just tops!
This guy just needs to get his greater sickles back in.
Hawk, this chick looks like what that man wanted to breed, you think it will stay like this?
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I used VetRX a couple times last winter. I could tell a difference right away. But my birds were yawning and when I rubbed it into their beaks, they were able to breathe easier. But depending on what you are dealing with, not always going to be effective.Been busy all day and finally back home. It has been pretty active here. IMO VetRx is the greatest stuff on the market. Hechicken I'm sorry you had bad luck with Vetrx. I'd have to say most people I've heard swear by it. It's done wonders for my flock many times over. Normally if I have one or two sick birds I will put it in their nostrils but if there is a whole group like last winter, then I put it in the water. Yes it floats on the water, but that is how it gets stuck on their beaks and does them some good. Times like last winter when I had tons of birds with colds it saved a bunch of them. It just opens them up to breath.
No, things like vicks or vetRX won't help if you have a bacterial infection but it will help with the effects of a virus. Pneumonia is in fact an infection not a viral thing. And no amount of non -antibiotic treatment would help. ( other than some natural herbal remedies which can do wonders at times) These things are simply made from natural oils and their effects won't harm you.
I just don't like to use antibiotics unless it is necessary. Why kill healthy bacteria and further weaken the immune system by giving antibiotics when they aren't warranted?
Here I go shooting off my mouth again!!!
Anyway Lizzy you do seem to worry about your birds and that is a good thing. It just shows you are caring and responsible. I like that!
Tomorrow will be a long busy day. I still need to get presents wrapped tonight.
X2Its just so easy to get attached when you love animals. I know how you feel I am momma to my kids and all my animals and everybody is special to me. It isnt dumb it just means you have emotion and care and concern.![]()
Babies are a lot of work. I enjoy the chicks, sure. But I sure like them better as adults! They have more personality and require less work. Brings me more joy to see them all grown up. Same way with horses-- I'm DONE foaling. Never ever again. We did it for a few years and while I love foals, and they are sweet... ugh, all the training and hands on work that goes into it. We did Imprinting, so we had to be out there every single day for a couple hours a day. (or more) Same with dogs--- I'm not into the puppy stage. I have adopted all of my dogs as adults because I am just not a fan of puppies! LOL I mean, I LIKE them, of course! But I don't want a chewing, pooping, non-house-broke puppy that is going to cry all night. I like to skip right to the point where they want to lay around, cuddle and do their business outside. LOL! But not to say I don't appreciate babies....Do you like the baby stages or the adult stages with your animals?
OK, followed the thread, Consolidated KS, not sure if I'm doing this right - there's SO many buttons. I live about 10 miles south of kcks. If you live in this part of the country you know that nothing grew here this summer in the awful heat. Chickens are birds, birds were still here.
I guess my first questions are:: did the chickens do all right this summer in the terrific heat?
which chicken do best in this area,
where do you go to buy them?
My husband and I just went to Restore KC in Overland Park this week to buy supplies for the chicken coop he is building. Bought three windows, about 8 brand new door jams, hinges and a fancy light fixture for the chicken coop he is building. Cost us $35! The place is hit or miss, but I highly recommend it.
Well I'm really disgusted now, my lady that put me off yesterday didn't show up today either, I'm so done with her. I wish people would just do what they say they're going to. Danz, I know you can relate. If people say they're going to be somewhere then darnit they need to be there unless someone died, that's how I feel about it, but that's me. So now I have to hope that the guy who emailed me will come through instead. He just sent me a couple of texts, so hopefully he will come.
I am so proud of this bunch of rosecombs. I was tickled to find the new baby this afternoon. Been letting some of the older girls that went broody to hatch babies. Show careers are over so motherhood here we go. Besides, they are cheaper than running the incubator!
This litttle girl is just tops!
This guy just needs to get his greater sickles back in.
Hawk, this chick looks like what that man wanted to breed, you think it will stay like this?
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Anyway Lizzy you do seem to worry about your birds and that is a good thing. It just shows you are caring and responsible. I like that!
Tomorrow will be a long busy day. I still need to get presents wrapped tonight.
What happens when you have kids? I think I was insane for 30 some years when I had kids at home. I kind of think now I didn't let them just be kids cause I worried too much about they getting hurt and bacteria and germs etc etc. I am sure they all grew up thinking when they had kids they would treat them differently. I over obsess about the animals to the point if I get something in my mind like worrying about them catching a cold or something, I'll have bad dreams about it. And as many birds as I have I still cry when I loose one that was special to me. Sometimes I feel so dumb that way.![]()
Do you like the baby stages or the adult stages with your animals?
VERY true about paying more for better lines. Of course most of us know that first hand as the majority of us are breeding birds from very good lines, and lines that have names behind them, or our own lines we have worked with for years to meet Standard. I know I have paid $50 a bird and didn't even blink at it-- it was actually a good deal! It's hard to get started into good birds and you have to buy your way into it. So while you can save yourself a lot of trouble and expense by buying locally, if you are buying from someone that has invested a lot of money into good quality birds, they don't come cheap. But sometimes you can get really good deals on culls that they either don't have room for, or that don't fit into their breeding program. Often those will be the cheapest birds. Of course, the very cheapest birds would be to buy your chicks from a farm store!WELCOME new people! Hop right in to the conversation. I am so far behind...you guys have been chatting!
Keep in mind that breeders with nice stock often have to charge more for their birds because their stock is more expensive. If you are getting too good a deal then there is probably something fishy with their birds genetics. AND sometimes you pay a fortune for birds from someone that is supposed to have really nice birds and get rubbish instead. I am just speaking from experience and don't want you to have to learn from the same mistakes I have.![]()
Very sweet of you to take care of the calf. I'm surprised to hear that the owner wasn't too upset or interested, because they are a big investment and you don't want to go losing a calf. He sounded weak and yes you're right, coyotes will attack a baby calf, or horse, or anything that is a sitting duck out there. With all that you did-- standing next to it, petting it, picking it up and driving it back up to the barn-- IF the mama cow was interested, she would have let you know and would have given you a run for your money in doing any of that. It's too bad. I hope he'll be okay. It sounds like he needs supplements (milk). My neighbor next to me had something very similar happen like that last year. His cow birthed two calves and she took to one and kicked off the second. It's pretty rare for them to have two. But he picked it up and brought it up to his house. I happened to be driving the kids home when I saw him out in his front yard with the calf! I stopped and wanted to see it. (we're all pretty good friends down here) and he was already mixing up milk for it and they let the kids feed it. He didn't have a safe stall for it, so he was putting it in his stock trailer at night because he said the coyotes would take it down. He is a very responsible owner, though. Glad to hear your yolk-chick is doing well! How did it go with the hatching chick? When they start to zip, I leave them alone. I have helped also-- because they were shrink wrapped. We have one from earlier this Spring that we named "Sticky" because I had to give him a bath right after he hatched because he could not move, the gunk was so stuck to him and he was stuck in his shell. The only other one I helped died within a few hours. He just had something wrong with him.Welcome to all the newbies, I'm new too.![]()
I left for a day and there is so much going on here that I missed. Today we tried to go to the state fair and we blew a tire half way there so we decided to turn around because I didn't want to be driving back home in the dark without a spare. Bummer.
All this talk about animal lovers. My 15 year old and I were walking out in our neighbors pasture, with permission of course, but we came across a calf that was unattended. There was no momma cow anywhere. We stood there for a while thinking it would get up because we were so close and it didn't move. We walked up and pet it and it didn't hardly pick up his head. There were blackberry branches poking his little face close to his eyes.
My little chick I posted about yesterday seems quite fine today.
Chicken danz, I wasn't the least bit offended, just so you know. I really don't have a clue what I'm doing, only doing the best I can with what I have. Anytime you take something out of what is natural you are going to have to do more to make things work. Hatching chicks in an incubator isn't natural, we have to artificially do everything to make sure all the conditions are right. Whenever you mess with what is natural, it's up to you to take it from start to finish but things are going to happen because it's just not as constant. I tend to relate everything to human babies because I have a lot more experience in that area but it's so evident. One interventions always leads to another. I don't like interventions, but I understand there is a time and a place for them. But once the interventions start, they seem to cascade into more and more of them. So we take the eggs and artificially hatch them in imperfect conditions and I can't expect for perfection to come from imperfection, although these little chicks seem so perfectly able to adapt which I take no credit for of course.
I don't know how I'm going to get any sleep with all the peeping in the next room but I have one chick that has been trying to hatch since this morning.
Danz, that sounds great!!! Do you have the forms for the 90 Day cert? The ones I got from last month were a double copy-- where you wrote on the front and they send that in, and then I got to keep the copy under it to take to the show to prove I was tested clean. My only complaint is that the lady didn't press down hard enough for the second copy when she was writing it out and you could not read the band numbers or the gender, etc. They still accepted it, but it was NOT a good deal. And I'm guessing if I had to use that same copy for the Nationals they would not accept it. If we were to do the NPIP, we would want to test every single bird and that would take a lot longer. But I DO eventually want to get my NPIP so I can start shipping birds next year. I'm hoping that my culls from next year will be MUCH better quality than they were this year. (they had split wing this year-- which no one can use) If they only have minor faults, I could sell them as Breeders. Maybe... I'm getting ahead of myself here! LOL I'm hoping that I will run into no more problems. I may end up selling on CraigsList next year too to get rid of culls if they can't be bred.. Sigh.When do you have to have the birds tested, Loralee? If we have our get together at Heather's and you bring your birds I could test them that day. I've been trying to get my book back from another tester for two months now. I need to fill out some forms for Josie and find out what happened to her flock number they never sent her. If I have to, I will physically go get it. But I could so do it for you. You probably would only have a few that you are taking right? Let me know if that will work. Of course that would be with Heather's permission to bring them on her place. If that doesn't work we might be able to work something else out. This is my big weekend for activity but I'm hoping I can slow down a little and work on my projects here instead of having to be gone a lot. I could certainly take a day to test if needed.
Send me a PM and we'll work it out. I doubt I'll be on here tomorrow at all but I'll check back in when I can.
I can't tell boy from girl. But we have other chicken experts here that may be able to do it.