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Well, the time is near... tomorrow will be the 21st day the eggs have been in the incubator, and i'm very nervous about the whole hatching time. I remember that they said to allow more oxygen in there, the last 3 days, but when i took out the two red plugs for that, like the manual instructed, the humidity went down to 59%. so i put the plugs back in. Now, is it more important to have increased oxygen, or have the humidity at 70%. (right now the humidity is at 67%, but i'm not supposed to open it to add more water). i think thats fine tho. i have noticed that the eggs have been kind of rolling a little, bit, and im guessing thats alright that they roll over a little. I was curious about something: Do eggs gain weight from beginning to hatch? like, the last time i turned them, they felt heavier than when i first put them in... if they do, i cant think of where they would get the weight from, because i cant see how anything could be taken from the air and sucked into the egg... just curious. I haven't noticed any pips in the eggs yet but i'm assuming that's normal. When should i start seeing pips??? and also: i have a small water pan with a sponge in it and a few damp wash clothes next to the eggs in the incubator and i've heard that chicks can drown themselves in it from wanting to return back into a wet surrounding like in an egg, and i don't want to get all the way to day 21 and have 1 hatch and go drown itself. Is this something i should be concerned about? I hear people say to just put marbles in it, but i don't want to open the incubator. How long is it from hatch to fluff, because even tho they say not to, i think i'll take them out once they are fluffed. and finally, one last question: if i leave the red plugs in, is there enough oxygen for the chicks to survive, once hatched?

Thanks a bunch!

Wow, I was gone for a bit and missed a bunch!

ChicknBaron, hopefully I can answer these in the order you asked:

Oxygen is really important at hatch - they need a lot in order to hatch since it is hard work. Most times, when someone gets eggs to develop and go all the way to lockdown and then not have them hatch, it is because of lack of ventilation. So I would take the plugs out. If you think about it, there isn't a huge difference between 67% and 70% and 70% is only a rough guide anyway - it doesn't need to be exact, just "around 70%". Some people use straws to add water through the vent holes to avoid opening the incubator if the humidity starts to go down too much. I bought some clear flexible tubing at TSC and I can add water that way if necessary.

Eggs actually lose weight throughout incubation, due to evaporation. Ideally you want them to lose somewhere between 9.5% and 13% of their total weight over the course of the 21 days. Too low or too high humidity can result in chicks that grow too big to be able to turn in the shells and therefore cannot zip and hatch, or chicks that are very sticky. A good idea for beginning incubators is to get a small egg scale that weighs in .1 increments. Weigh each egg before putting it in the incubator, and record the weights. Weigh again at 7-days, 14-days and lockdown, to determine that they are "on target". This can be very helpful if you have a bad hatch as by looking at your figures you will be able to tell if your humidity was too high or too low throughout. I have a chart I can PM you that shows what your target weight loss is for each of those weighing days. A less precise method is to compare the air cells at those same points along the way, with an air cell chart.

Hmm....I'm trying to picture your set up. In mine the chicks don't actually have access to the pan of water supplying the humidity as it is on the bottom of the incubator, and above the water is a hardware cloth shelf covered in rubberized shelf liner and the eggs sit on that. I would be concerned about a pan of water sitting where they can get into it, as they don't have much coordination in the first few hours after hatch and could well flop into the water and not be able to get back out. If you don't have any pips, it might be a good idea to add some marbles to avoid that. One thing I do to increase humidity is use feminine pads (I use cloth but disposable would work just as well). Because they are designed to be absorbent, they hold more water than a regular cloth, so the increase in humidity lasts for longer.

You might see pips any time now. I usually see pips sometime on day 20. From hatch to fully fluffed takes quite a few hours but is dependent on the humidity level. The higher it is, the longer it takes them to dry out. I would not open the incubator to take any out, no matter how tempted to are, if there are pipped eggs in there. And keep in mind that sometimes the pip can be down under the egg where you really can't see it. Since chicks can go up to 3 days without eating or drinking, it is better to err on the side of caution and NOT open the incubator to retrieve hatched chicks, since you could be spelling the doom of an unhatched chick by doing so.

Hope I didn't miss any - let me know if I did.
 
Danz, I sent you a PM about the guinea keets. You need to take it easy today or you're not going to feel like getting into the car & going anywhere. It's hard on your back to sit in the car & ride or sit anywhere for that matter. The doctors will tell you when your back in hurting that sitting is the worst thing you can do, but you have to rest it today or you're really going to hurt yourself. I can identify with needing to get things done, I have a to do list to get done before winter, but I have to pace myself or I really pay for it. Then what did I accomplish if I can't move because I overdid it & then I lose a day.

Sunflowerparrot, guineas are just different than any other birds, I call them goofy guineas because they are. They're noisy & they're just very excitable. That is why Jasmine is so attracted to seeing what they're doing because they have to be so noisy about getting to be out of the pen & getting excited about free-ranging. When I had them before I had them last in a pen right next to the garage, so they never went very far away from the pen & they would either get up on the top of the garage or on top of the coop & yell at the top of their lungs. I didn't have them very long since I had that possum attack & then sold the rest to a friend because I was so disgusted about it. But now that I have the GPs here to watch over things & since we have so many ticks this year I just thought I would give them a try again. None of mine are old enough to leave out all the time so I'm just going to let them out during the day & put them back in at night. Hopefully they will get used to the routine & since I'm not letting the younger ones out there are still some in the pen right now so they know where they belong. Today I'm going to give them a treat when they go back in like I have trained my chickens & that should help too. It's just a little tricky here since I have peacocks in the pen to get the guineas in without letting the peacocks out, but since it's a hoop house most of the time the peas are in the back, they like to look out into the wooded area back there. The male I got just recently is the most flighty since he hasn't been here long. The two females I have had since they were a month old are pretty tame, they will come pretty close to me when I come in to feed them.

tweety, good luck with getting rid of your roos & the ducks. I know the ducks are a lot more work, I used to have them & they are just really messy. I would like to have some, but I just have too much on my plate right now as it is. I will see how next year goes, but if I get any it will probably be muscovies to help with the flies.

sapphire, I would love to have some blue copper marans, but right now I don't have the room for any. We'll see how things are going next spring. I love my big black copper rooster, he's just gorgeous & he's from Elaine too. He is my main flock rooster now & he is very docile so far & hasn't caused me any problems. He does a good job of watching over his girls though. I may try to produce some olive eggers from him next spring. My DH for once didn't notice the mud since I got the biggest part of it off & all off the sides of the car, so whew that was good. He would have killed me if he had seen what I did. Oh well, stuff happens!

Well I've got to get out & get some things on my to do list done today, so sitting here isn't getting it done. I hope you all have a good day, it's pretty cool here today.
 
Well, the time is near... tomorrow will be the 21st day the eggs have been in the incubator, and i'm very nervous about the whole hatching time. I remember that they said to allow more oxygen in there, the last 3 days, but when i took out the two red plugs for that, like the manual instructed, the humidity went down to 59%. so i put the plugs back in. Now, is it more important to have increased oxygen, or have the humidity at 70%. (right now the humidity is at 67%, but i'm not supposed to open it to add more water). i think thats fine tho. i have noticed that the eggs have been kind of rolling a little, bit, and im guessing thats alright that they roll over a little. I was curious about something: Do eggs gain weight from beginning to hatch? like, the last time i turned them, they felt heavier than when i first put them in... if they do, i cant think of where they would get the weight from, because i cant see how anything could be taken from the air and sucked into the egg... just curious. I haven't noticed any pips in the eggs yet but i'm assuming that's normal. When should i start seeing pips??? and also: i have a small water pan with a sponge in it and a few damp wash clothes next to the eggs in the incubator and i've heard that chicks can drown themselves in it from wanting to return back into a wet surrounding like in an egg, and i don't want to get all the way to day 21 and have 1 hatch and go drown itself. Is this something i should be concerned about? I hear people say to just put marbles in it, but i don't want to open the incubator. How long is it from hatch to fluff, because even tho they say not to, i think i'll take them out once they are fluffed. and finally, one last question: if i leave the red plugs in, is there enough oxygen for the chicks to survive, once hatched?

Thanks a bunch!
You don't need to increase oxygen, just make sure it stays as high as it has been. Eggs and chicks always need oxygen but your fan should be drawing in some air from the outside so you should be fine. Humidity is important for hatching, but it will return to previous levels if you open the door for a minute to add water or whatever. Eggs moving means the chicks are repositioning themselves to pip. If you have a pan of water in there you need a screen or some kind of cover over it that will let the humidity out but keep the chicks from drowning.
I have someone coming over in a few to take the ducks and two roos, cross your fingers for me that it all goes well.
It's sad to see the ducks go, but I'm so much more into chickens and these guys are a lot more work than I realized.
Good luck!
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Take it easy, and take some asprin! Hope you feel better today. I'm guessing you are headed to church like we are, so you better be able to walk!
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Actually I called my Dad and told him I wasn't going today. I am really in a lot of pain. I can't take aspirin cause I'm allergic to it. I have some prescription meds but have to be careful or they will upset my stomach. Yeah I'm a mess. I just hope I am feeling better in the morning. So far I haven't done anything today but read a magazine. I normally don't take the time but I didn't want to get up.
Actually I called my Dad and told him I wasn't going today. I am really in a lot of pain. I can't take aspirin cause I'm allergic to it. I have some prescription meds but have to be careful or they will upset my stomach. Yeah I'm a mess. I just hope I am feeling better in the morning. So far I haven't done anything today but read a magazine. I normally don't take the time but I didn't want to get up. I do have a tens unit I will try later and see if it helps. It does wonders some times.

I did walk out in my jammies and check mouse traps. 49 mice this morning and my dumb dog had taken two traps, and opened them and ate the peanut butter. I had rocks on top of them and she still got them!!! So the count for the last 4 days is pretty close to 200 mice!!! That's just crazy.
 
Ducks and silkie roos now have a good home. One with a huge pond and lots of land. I'm glad they all went together, it might be less stressful for them. Now i'm going to get myself about 5 more chickens, don't think I want to start with chicks though - I'd like them to already be used to the outdoors. It sounds like Chook's are pretty much gone or she's selling them in sets that includes a rooster. I'll just keep my eye out,
 
Sunflowerparrot, guineas are just different than any other birds, I call them goofy guineas because they are. They're noisy & they're just very excitable. That is why Jasmine is so attracted to seeing what they're doing because they have to be so noisy about getting to be out of the pen & getting excited about free-ranging. When I had them before I had them last in a pen right next to the garage, so they never went very far away from the pen & they would either get up on the top of the garage or on top of the coop & yell at the top of their lungs. I didn't have them very long since I had that possum attack & then sold the rest to a friend because I was so disgusted about it. But now that I have the GPs here to watch over things & since we have so many ticks this year I just thought I would give them a try again. None of mine are old enough to leave out all the time so I'm just going to let them out during the day & put them back in at night. Hopefully they will get used to the routine & since I'm not letting the younger ones out there are still some in the pen right now so they know where they belong. Today I'm going to give them a treat when they go back in like I have trained my chickens & that should help too. It's just a little tricky here since I have peacocks in the pen to get the guineas in without letting the peacocks out, but since it's a hoop house most of the time the peas are in the back, they like to look out into the wooded area back there. The male I got just recently is the most flighty since he hasn't been here long. The two females I have had since they were a month old are pretty tame, they will come pretty close to me when I come in to feed them.
9 out of the 10 are still in the fence... one got out earlier and is having a hard time finding its way back in with the fence - he is sitting outside the fence next to the ones in the fence. I've tried a few times to go help - but.. he just takes off. So, I'll let him figure it out on his own and stay out of it :) The chickens/rooster were in the fence earlier and that went much better than I expected. Fern was out near the fence during all this and watching closely - but then she started getting overly excited and jumping on the fence - a little vibrating zap reminded her that is not acceptable behavior - so, she went off and pouted under the car.

Thanks for the idea of offering a treat at night - will try that today!

I cleaned the parrots' cages today and tossed their pellet crumbs into the fenced area; the ducks loved them :) Now I have a good use for those crumbs and no waste!

I've been doing house cleaning today more than anything else. I am just waiting for the dryer to buzz and then I'm done... then Kindle time! woohoo
 
I got "stove up" cleaning out the coop on Monday, too. It must be going around.
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Seriously, I hope you get healed up.
I really have my back in an uproar. I don't know how I'll ever get things done I need to today. It's just a reminder I have way too much on my plate. I spent so much time working on the sea van yesterday I didn't get anything else done.
I need to remove chicks from the hatcher today. They should be done and dried for the most part. Unfortunately I don't see any splash chicks in the Marans. Maybe next time. I haven't done a count yet. I had a bunch of chicks die out in the brooder house in the last 2 days, so I cleaned and disinfected again. I am totally confused what might be the problem. I found no mold or anything. I put some ACV in their water last night just as a preventative. I have no idea if it will help anything or not. Luckily they were just some chicks I had hatched and not anything expensive. But I do have some lavenders and Swedish Flower hens out there. They were fine.
I hope I can get the feed moved with the tractor so I don't have to lift any of it. I just don't think I can do it today. I also need to get another load of my other feed soon. Darn birds cost a fortune!!! Next Friday I am selling a bunch of my polish so that will reduce the number of birds around here a little.
I'm in the mood to buy more eggs for fancy breeds. I need to quit!!!
 
Sunflower, my guineas used to get out of their yard sometimes too, and all they did was pace the fence looking for a way back in. I found that I could "herd" them towards the nearest gate and open it when I was close and they would run in and be relieved to be back with the others. I don't know what to tell you about not wanting to go back to the coop at night though. Mine slept in the coop every single night and I think they were older than yours - about 3 months old. They had been raised with chicks and ducks and were quite bonded to the ducks so at night they would go in the auto door and sleep on the roosts with everyone else. Although I have a tree hedgerow on the west side of my yard, it apparently never occurred to any of them to try to roost in the trees, thank goodness. Were yours locked in the coop for awhile before you let them loose?

Tweety, congrats on finding a good home for your birds - that is not always easy to do.

I need some rooster advice. I love Cyrus - he is huge and a great flock protector. He isn't rough on them at all - none have bare backs or feathers notieceably missing. Fertility is good. He is beautiful. But he seems to see me as a rival. Me and only me
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. Anyone else can go in and he is good as gold. Recently DD took one of my friends in to meet them and when she told me afterwards, my heart was racing to hear how this went. DD is afraid of the adult birds and the friend is terrified of all birds period. But all they could both do was rave about Cyrus, the chicks, the ducks, how beautiful some of them are. DS and DH can likewise, come in and wander around and Cyrus leaves them completely alone. But I go in and wham - there he is trying to flog me again. I've tried everything that has been recommended. I've picked him up and carried him around, I've picked him up by the legs and let his hens see his humiliation as he is held this way, I've even sparred with him until I "won" and he backed off and acted submissive.

After each flogging attempt (no spurs so he hasn't done any actual harm yet) and each punitive measure, he is good for a few days and then I can see from his behavior that he's planning another attack. Today's attack was only 2 days after the last, and that resulted in him spending some time dangling upside down so I thought it might work for longer.

So - how likely is it that this is hormonal (he's only 7 months old) and will outgrow it, and how likely is it that it will only get worse?
 
HEChicken, he sounds like he is a randy teenager right now, I would give him some more time & he should settle down. However, that being said you do have to make him understand you are the boss & not him. You have to face him & back him up & if you have to chase him all over the yard then do it for awhile. I had to do that with a couple roosters. Once they figure out you mean what you say they usually will stop coming after you. I had a couple attacks by my Speckled Sussex roo recently & it only took a couple days to teach him to leave me alone & he hasn't done it since.
 
Ducks and silkie roos now have a good home. One with a huge pond and lots of land. I'm glad they all went together, it might be less stressful for them. Now i'm going to get myself about 5 more chickens, don't think I want to start with chicks though - I'd like them to already be used to the outdoors. It sounds like Chook's are pretty much gone or she's selling them in sets that includes a rooster. I'll just keep my eye out,
What kind are you thinking about getting? We can all keep our eyes open for you.

ChickNBaron
Don't get confused by what appears to be a difference in advice between HeChicken and myself. It really isn't different advice. but things function slightly different depending on your incubator. If you have around 60% humidity for chicken eggs that is plenty. I like to get closer to 70% but often mine will drop to about 55% if I don't moisten my rag I keep in there. It's not an exact science but you'll be fine if you keep the level at least around 60%.
I would try removing only one plug and see what your humidity goes to. You can kind of judge by what levels do. It is simple; if you leave an opening you will allow more humidity to escape but more oxygen to come it. It is all a matter of balancing the two to an acceptable level.
I use pieces of broken clay pot in my extra humidity pan because they absorb the moisture and also give more places for it to escape into the air. If you have enough pieces that stick up above the water surface to keep chicks from falling in the water, that will work if you don't have a cover for the water pan. So much depends on what you are using to hatch with.
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I need some rooster advice. I love Cyrus - he is huge and a great flock protector. He isn't rough on them at all - none have bare backs or feathers notieceably missing. Fertility is good. He is beautiful. But he seems to see me as a rival. Me and only me
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. Anyone else can go in and he is good as gold. Recently DD took one of my friends in to meet them and when she told me afterwards, my heart was racing to hear how this went. DD is afraid of the adult birds and the friend is terrified of all birds period. But all they could both do was rave about Cyrus, the chicks, the ducks, how beautiful some of them are. DS and DH can likewise, come in and wander around and Cyrus leaves them completely alone. But I go in and wham - there he is trying to flog me again. I've tried everything that has been recommended. I've picked him up and carried him around, I've picked him up by the legs and let his hens see his humiliation as he is held this way, I've even sparred with him until I "won" and he backed off and acted submissive.

After each flogging attempt (no spurs so he hasn't done any actual harm yet) and each punitive measure, he is good for a few days and then I can see from his behavior that he's planning another attack. Today's attack was only 2 days after the last, and that resulted in him spending some time dangling upside down so I thought it might work for longer.

So - how likely is it that this is hormonal (he's only 7 months old) and will outgrow it, and how likely is it that it will only get worse?
Heather as young as he is I would be afraid that he would just get increasingly mean. I have never had a mean rooster but I know many people who do. He obviously sees you as something to compete with him for his ladies. I have read all kinds of ways to cure that but I don't know if any of them work.
 
Sunflower, my guineas used to get out of their yard sometimes too, and all they did was pace the fence looking for a way back in. I found that I could "herd" them towards the nearest gate and open it when I was close and they would run in and be relieved to be back with the others. I don't know what to tell you about not wanting to go back to the coop at night though. Mine slept in the coop every single night and I think they were older than yours - about 3 months old. They had been raised with chicks and ducks and were quite bonded to the ducks so at night they would go in the auto door and sleep on the roosts with everyone else. Although I have a tree hedgerow on the west side of my yard, it apparently never occurred to any of them to try to roost in the trees, thank goodness. Were yours locked in the coop for awhile before you let them loose?
Most of them have been locked in the coop since early July.. yesterday was the first day I've ever let them out. So - about 10 good weeks they've been locked up - the newest ones have been locked up for about 4 weeks with the older ones.
 

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