Consolidated Kansas

[Hawkeye95]

I just talked to Karen. The doctor believes she contracted a certain infection from having the flu so severely. The antibiotics they gave her have helped considerably. She won't have a definite answer for a week when biopsy results get back, but it is looking very favorable. She might even get to go home today. This time I cried because I was happy. Keep the prayers coming. She's not well yet. I gave her my mothering talk about taking it easy. She said she just wants to get home and see her birds!!
I am working away. Trying to dry some fresh sage in the oven so I can make my own poultry seasoning.
I should have done that days ago.
Got the turkey in the bring but it won't be brining as long as I wanted.
Now I've got to get started on cleaning.

Oh wow, that sounds pretty serious. I guess it would have to be for her to still be in the hospital! Poor Karen! Thank you for the update!

So relieved to read Karen is doing better! It is so hard to take care of oneself when being the caretaker.... It is such a conundrum; rest is a such precious commodity, and yet so difficult to accept when it is forced.
Can anyone tell me what type if egg I should be looking for from a hatchery Favarolle and a hatchery black polish? My 3 silkies are all laying now and I have several little pink eggs each week. I don't see any white ones or larger light pinkish brown though.... With being at work all day, I haven't seen either of them in a nest box, but that doesn't mean that they don't go there. I just find it odd that the hatchery Silkie bought at the same age IS laying.
Good luck with the sage!! I bet that smells heavenly!!!! I must learn how to do that!!
I have lights on my birds after it is dark and by 5 am mainly because I need them since their roosts are built into a section of my sun porch and I let my dogs out into the yard via the kitchen door ( porch has a dog door). I don't have any choice. The dogs myst go out and I feel compelled to check on the birds each time.None of them seem to lay daily, so I am not sure if it is affecting them much or not. Not really wanting to increase the number of eggs, but we certainly are enjoying the ones we get!
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Polish lay white eggs, and mine are not laying right now. Once they went into molt, they have been on strike. They don't particularly lay very well on a good day, anyway! LOL Mine lay about every other day, but since I have several of them, I'd would get a few each day. Of course, now, they are probably done for the season. If you really need eggs, you need a barred rock! Or any kind of rock--- mine are laying machines! OH-- and my silkies are still laying even through their molt, so I don't know what to tell you. Other than, mine only lay about every other day to every 3 days. So maybe it's just not very hard on their bodies, so they keep on laying?? I have no idea!

No rush--I'm not goin' anywhere!

Holy chicken patties, you guys... I just sold four more of my chicken flock mug. XD

that's great! They are really cute! I think people just love chicken stuff, anyway!

 

[chicken danz]

As Hawkeye said. Polish lay white eggs. Salmon Favorelle lay a light brown, almost beige colored egg. Not white and not brown. Hope that helps some.
Back to work! I had to take a mini break.

 

[ppimf]

Total weight: 775
Your percentages of total weight are:
Milo: 32.26%
Oats: 16.13%
Corn: 16.13%
Wheat: 16.13%
Layer Crumbles: 19.35%

Are these the percentages you were asking for?

well i just wanted to know what the protien % is in total making sure i am at least at 17% protiens u got me lost lol

 

[LoriO]

LoriO
I found what I thought to be worms this morning during morning chores, so I decided to go this route. I went to Orscheln's this morning, and they had a generic brand called Noromectin, for 29.99/50ml. Hechicken, is the dose you used 4ml/gallon? I have the black rubber water pans, so I'll probably just put it in all of them. One day of that, and no withdrawal of eggs?

I think I read where JOSIE said egg withdrawal of 2 or 3 weeks, but I can't find her post.... I'll keep searching for her post.
You're right, Kansas Prairie, it was Josie that used the injectable ivermectin first, and then HeChicken did, too. I was thinking she had said no egg withdrawal, so I better look for that original post.

I've got the sweet potatoes for the sweet potato casserole cooked, mashed and cooling. A pecan pie is in the oven, I need to get the pumpkin ready for when it's done.

 

[LoriO]

That last part literally made me spit out the sip of wine I was having....

Oh, I am SO hopeful right now that worms are Ned's problem because yes, he is getting the wormer too. A link sent me in the direction of administering Ivermectin that I really liked because it is "self-dosing". Here is the link:
http://www.heavensentranch.com/poultryhealth.htm
Basically, this woman is a big-time breeder who follows the principle that it doesn't matter how good your breeding stock is, if you don't first take care of their health. The method she uses for worming, and which she swears by, is to get the injectable Ivermectin, but put it in the water at 4cc/gallon. She advises to provide enough water for 2 days. She first started doing it for 3 days but then cut it to 2 and says that works for her. Anyway, it is self-dosing because each bird will drink the quantity they need for their body weight, so it is safe for chicks or adults, chickens or turkeys, because each bird should drink the amount of water for their body size and therefore get the amount of the drug that their body size requires. There is no withdrawal time, and for worms, no need to re-dose after the 10 day period like you have to with so many of the drugs. I'm really hoping she knows what she's talking about. Anyway, I took up all waterers except the one I had the Ivermectin in, so Ned is drinking from that fount along with the chickens. If worms are his problem, hopefully I will see some improvement in the next few days. He does have me worried tonight though. All along, Madge has urged sleeping in the coop, while Ned hasn't been convinced, and has wanted to sleep outside. Tonight I went down after dinner to let the flock out of the yard for some free-range time and found both turkeys already on the roosts (6:15pm?) I figured they might get down but they stayed there until they were joined by the chickens. Ordinarily I'd be pleased but it seems just one more indication that Ned isn't feeling well.

Found it! The things I can do when I have time!

 

[michelleml]

282 post sense i've been on so please forgive me if i don't read all of them. We've been busy getting our house ready for winter its a 100 yr old home so when its cold outside its cold inside and then my little one was running a fever no fun at all when you have sick babies.

Our chicks are getting bigger it looks like we have a roo maybe two will post pictures after holidays. And he seems to pick on the smaller ones so I've had to separate the hurt one for a few days i think I'm going to separate the bully for awhile and see how that goes.

I hope everyone has a safe a blessed Thanksgiving

Michelle

 

[cherwill]

Well I am a very unhappy person. I have had my turkey in the fridge for 3 days and it still is frozen hard as a rock. I should have just thawed it like normal I was going to put it in the brine tonight but there's no way I can. Just my luck. I also spent the afternoon outside putting hardware cloth along the bottom of the wild turkeys pen. Anytime they get upset they rip their necks up sticking them through the wire. I was going to move the blue slate turkeys out next to them and decided I'd had better line their pen before I upset them again. Silly Tom turkey tore the heck out of neck and had it all bloody just from me working out there. I hope I have the problem fixed now.
I will let you all know when I have more information on Karen. I forgot to ask what hospital she is in so I texted her and haven't gotten an answer. She was having trouble with her phone in the hospital.

I did end up losing two pullets, the one Ancona I was looking so forward to trying out was the one & the other that I know is gone is one of my beautiful Speckled Sussex, so I will be looking for another one of those to replace her. I just love those birds with all of their spots & these three I had were just awesome, of course it had to be one of those I lost. This afternoon I had let the oldest guineas out because they were in their pen yelling at me, so I let them out & later on my DH came in & asked how many I had let out. I went uh oh because he said the dogs were hanging around them & chasing them again. I swear I'm going to beat those dogs within an inch of their lives if they don't leave my birds alone. Sure enough I went out & counted & first there were two missing. The dogs took off around behind the garage & my DH & I went around to see what they were doing & heard a bird squawking back there. Lily flushed out a guinea from where they had taken it & it got away & flew back down where I could rescue it, but the other one was nowhere to be found & I did see feathers out in the woods, so I guess they got away with one. The one seemed kind of scared & I didn't see any terrible wounds on it so I put it back in the pen. The others were up in the trees above the hoop coop & I never could get them to come down to get them back in so they're spending the night out there. I hope I can get them back in before the dogs get any more of them. They're really making me angry about this. I can't figure out why all of the sudden after all this time they think it's OK to eat my birds, but we're going to have some time with the shock collar tomorrow & if Jasmine even makes a move like she's going for a bird she's getting a shock. Some way some how I have to get this nipped in the bud, I sure don't want to have to re-home these dogs because they won't leave my birds alone.

Oh no! I hope it works out.

I just wanted to weigh in on the light issue in the coop. I know there are pros & cons on both sides but I do add a light in the coop as soon as the days start getting shorter. I know it may shorten the laying life of the hens, but I like having more eggs. The older ones went through their molt & as soon as they got through that & started laying better again I gave them more light. I supplement their feed anyway with extra protein by giving them sunflower seeds. They get all kinds of extra treats too whenever I have some extra things like lettuces or cabbage that are starting to be less fresh than we like to eat them or fruit. They absolutely love over-ripe bananas, they're like candy to them & I cut up apples into little bite sized pieces too & give them those. They just go nuts for them. Nothing goes to waste here because if we don't eat it there are chickens, other birds, cats & dogs that will eat it. Things barely hit the ground here before they're snatched up & eaten. So I guess there really is no right or wrong answer about the light, it's more of a matter of opinion.

We add a light, too. Partly for the eggs and party to add some heat to the coop for winter.

I just talked to Karen. The doctor believes she contracted a certain infection from having the flu so severely. The antibiotics they gave her have helped considerably. She won't have a definite answer for a week when biopsy results get back, but it is looking very favorable. She might even get to go home today. This time I cried because I was happy. Keep the prayers coming. She's not well yet. I gave her my mothering talk about taking it easy. She said she just wants to get home and see her birds!!
I am working away. Trying to dry some fresh sage in the oven so I can make my own poultry seasoning.
I should have done that days ago.
Got the turkey in the bring but it won't be brining as long as I wanted.

I was going to suggest you go ahead and put it in the brine even if it's not defrosted yet. DH has ours on the smoker and it's smelling delicious!

Now I've got to get started on cleaning.

 

[Deerfield Acres]

Hey guys! I made it home for Thanksgiving. I had a terrible time getting out of there because of a Doctor taking an attitude about releasing me without an "official" diagnosis. The test results won't be back until next week so he made a big deal and I had to wait until 2:00 for him to finally decide he would let me go. The specialist who did the test was very upbeat and thought I'd had a run in with ischemic (sp?) colitis due to the flu. The hospital doctor made a big fuss about all the horrible things it "could" be and warned me that I did not have anything near a "mild" case, blah, blah, blah. What a buzz kill he was! LOL! Anyway, I think the specialist knows better than Dr. Downer and am not worried about it. Just thankful to be home with my family. Happy, happy Thanksgiving everybody! I can't wait to get all caught up on what's going on with you guys. My eyes are still sensitive to light and it's not real comfortable to read but I'll catch up as my eyes allow.

 

[Chickies-duckies-etc]

I found what I thought to be worms this morning during morning chores, so I decided to go this route. I went to Orscheln's this morning, and they had a generic brand called Noromectin, for 29.99/50ml. Hechicken, is the dose you used 4ml/gallon? I have the black rubber water pans, so I'll probably just put it in all of them. One day of that, and no withdrawal of eggs?

Lori

Josie's reply to the withdrawal after medicating is post number 17588. She says there is a withdrawal time. Sorry I didn't quote it, my computer is messing up again.

 

[Kansas Prairie]

Chickies & Duckies, thank YOU! I searched and ran out of time.

Here is Josie's Quote 17588

According to the article I read that got me started with trying it, there is no egg or meat withdrawal with the Ivermectin.

Ok, I am sorry if I am being a pain but I have to add my two cents and my veterinarian's expertise to this matter.
1-Any time you use a medication that is available over the counter "off label" (meaning there are no directions on the label on how to use the medication in the species you are treating) there are no established guidelines for withdrawal on meat/eggs because they haven't been researched. Any time you put a chemical into an animals body it is going to pass to the bloodstream and into the tissues. How long it is there for and at what level it is safe for us to consume has not been studied for ivermectin (and a LOT of other meds) in poultry. It costs millions of dollars for pharmaceutical companies to obtain labeling for drugs and to expand to other species.
2-It is technically illegal to purchase and administer a drug that is "off label" to an animal without a veterinarians direct supervision and direction. DH wants me to let everyone know this because this is also how we as consumers "lose" these drugs when they are pulled from shelves in feed stores and online suppliers because they are being used inappropriately. There is a fabulous example of an antibiotic whose name eludes me right now that our goose received last summer at our equine vet when he was attacked by a coyote. It is a wonderful broad spectrum drug that lasts up to two weeks in water fowl so was a great choice for him. BUT, it is off label. So the veterinarian is giving it with the knowledge that it is effective and bio available in a goose but using his knowledge of drugs and their ability to function in an animal that the drug is not labeled for. The drug was labeled for horses and cattle. Unfortunately the drug has been banned from use now and actually heavily pulled from the market to limit its use for a period of time because its overuse in non labeled species is causing bacterial resistance to the chemical compounds of the drug. So now the equine/bovine market has lost a valuable drug for their species because of its over use in other off label species.
3-Below is a study of pigeons dosed with ivermectin and the obvious residual effect of the ivermectin in their offspring. SO parent pigeons pass ivermectin to their young through their eggs and the squab maintain a level of ivermectin in their tissue for a period of time.
4- Withdraw time for any chemical given to your birds should be a minimum of 2 weeks, I would personally go 3 for ivermectin because as a drug it is cleared very slowly in larger animals like cattle. Ivermectin has one of the longest withdrawal times in cattle of any drugs used for meat/milk.
5-I apologize for my confusion on using liquid injectable ivermectin orally. It is safe to be given orally in drinking water. According to DH you must be very, very careful with the dosing and would be best to just contact your veterinarian and ask them to kindly give you a safe dose for drinking water admin. It can be highly toxic if overdosed. I plan on using this with my birds to avoid all the headache with giving them each a dose of horse wormer twice a year so thank you to everyone who brought this topic up to save us the trouble and keep our birds healthy and parasite free!
No drugs have been approved for the treatment of parasitic nematodes in pigeons, but ivermectin, a broad-spectrum endectocide, has been used extra-label by prescription. Producers currently allow for a 2-wk withdrawal time before marketing squabs. However, because its use is extra-label there is no legal maximum residue limit for ivermectin in squab meat. The purpose of this study was to examine the depletion of ivermectin (passed by the parents to the squabs) from the tissues of squab. Adult pigeons brooding squab were treated with ivermectin in their drinking water (3.3 µg/mL) for 3 d. After dosing the parents, the ivermectin concentration of the breast meat and liver of squabs was found to be greater than the maximum residual limits established for livestock, indicating that ivermectin was transferred from the parents to the squabs. However, ivermectin was not detected in either the breast meat or the livers of squabs 1 wk after dosing. These results indicate that there is a rapid decline in tissue levels of ivermectin in squab.