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So I have been looking through breeds and reading all about them, now I have come back here to ask. What birds do you like? We are looking for egg layers and show birds for 4-H but they must earn their keep too. I was wanting to do a few meat birds a couple times a year but the county did say no to the tractor and I am not sure about a stationary coop/run for those stinky things, suggestions on that would be great too.

The Cornish Cross are really nasty stinky birds, I did them this spring & I just hated them. I was never so glad to get rid of birds as I was those. They stunk worse than anything I've ever smelled & honestly even my neighbors over on the other side of a huge hill could smell them. If you have neighbors close by you may want to rethink raising those. There are alternatives to that breed for meat, they may grow slower, but they're not so nasty & don't have the leg problems they have because they grow so fast. There are several varieties of chickens that are dual purpose. I used a hoop coop that is a permanent structure for housing mine in & then dug up the soil afterwards with a small tiller to get rid of the stink. Then I was able to use that coop for other birds now. I just don't think I want to repeat that experience again, I will raise something else if I decide to raise birds for meat again.

My very favorite birds just for laying are the Barred Rocks, they are laying machines. They lay through heat, cold, molt or bad weather & they lay big brown eggs. However, if you need something to show as well as lay the Orpingtons are pretty good layers of brown eggs & you can find them in various colors. They are a bigger bird if you get the exhibition type & are more expensive to buy as well as you will have to buy from a breeder, not a hatchery. I don't really know the rules as far as 4-H goes, some of the others may know better than me, but the person who is the expert has moved to Oklahoma & isn't on here any more. You may be able to get Orpingtons from the hatchery & still show them, I just don't know the rules, but I do know the better ones are obtained from breeders. Just make sure you get a recognized color for the rules of 4-H. There are other breeds that are pretty as well as fairly good layers. I have a big mixture of hens in my laying flock just because I like to see all the colors running around my yard. The Wyandottes come in silver laced & gold laced, both are pretty & lay nice brown eggs pretty regularly. The Australorps are also pretty good layers of brown eggs, the only thing about them is they tend to go broody pretty often, so if you don't want broody hens I don't recommend them. The Rhode Island Reds are very good layers, but the ones you get at the hatchery aren't really true to the breed, they're usually a mix & are more a production red to make them better layers. I like the Welsummers because they lay darker brown eggs & they're a pretty bird too. They're just not as regular of a layer as some of the other breeds. The Marans also lay dark eggs, but my experience with them is they don't lay as often as other breeds either. The eggs get lighter as they age as well. It just depends on how many eggs you expect to get & what you're looking for. There are very good layers such as the Leghorns that lay white eggs but they're quite flighty & not friendly at all. I do have some just for the big white eggs they lay but you can't get near them. I'm sure some of the others will tell you their favorites as well. I raise some rare breeds as well as have layers here & sell chicks in the spring. I do like the Salmon Faverolles because they're so friendly & they're pretty. They have an extra toe & feathered feet.
 
We can raise whatever we want for 4-H as long as they are purebred. I was actually told to check out a hatchery McMuray or something along that lines, can't recall right off I have it wrote down in my file. I like the way the Dominiques look but that doesn't mean anything.
 
So I have been looking through breeds and reading all about them, now I have come back here to ask. What birds do you like? We are looking for egg layers and show birds for 4-H but they must earn their keep too. I was wanting to do a few meat birds a couple times a year but the county did say no to the tractor and I am not sure about a stationary coop/run for those stinky things, suggestions on that would be great too.

The answers to these question really vary a lot from person to person - I can only give you my perspective.

I prefer heritage varieties. One of the reasons is that I like birds that are self-sustaining. Cornish Cross are a great example of a bird that is not self-sustaining for two reasons. First is that it is by nature a mutt and mutts do not breed true. Second is that because they are bred for such rapid growth, very few make it to breeding age and those that do are generally too large and heavy to breed naturally. Therefore, the Cornish Cross are produced somewhat artificially and I personally do not approve of a bird bred to grow to that size in 6-8 weeks, just to provide cheap meat for us at the cost of their own health.

For meat, I prefer the dual-purpose breeds. I have kept many different varieties over the years but in the last year I have narrowed it down to two breeds that I am focusing on: Barred Rocks and New Hampshire Reds. I obtained some quality stock from a breeder and I am now working with what I have to (hopefully) improve on them. What I like about both is that they grow large (the Barred Rocks are huge) and are very tasty. Both breeds are quiet, friendly, good foragers, non-aggressive (with other birds or me) and very hardy. They are good layers and great meat birds. By focusing on them, I don't have to worry about culls as the culls can be eaten. Note that I am not talking about hatchery birds here. Many people don't care for Barred Rocks because their only experience is with hatchery BR's. The heritage birds are an entirely different breed than hatchery Barred Rocks, both in appearance and personality. I've had many people tell me they don't like BR's and then they come to my place and stand with mouth agape asking "What is that?" and can scarcely believe it when I tell them THAT is a Barred Rock and THAT is what they are supposed to look like.

So that is my opinion for what its worth. Some questions to ask yourself are:

Standard fowl vs. bantam?
Eggs, meat, showing, ornamental?
Does egg color matter (i.e. if you want a rainbow egg basket you'll need a variety of breeds but if color doesn't matter.....)
Broody or non?
Bears confinement well or not?
And for KS, you need birds that will do okay in both extreme heat and extreme cold, which does rule out some breeds

On this thread alone there are people whose passion is silkies, cochins, bantams, heritage, new imports or rare breeds and mutts. Its really all just a matter of what direction you want to go and the beauty of it is you can change your mind over time. When I started all I cared about was a colorful egg basket but over time I've narrowed it down to want to focus on a couple of breeds.
 
Yeah I know each person will be different, like dog or cats there is love or not, at least that is what I assume. But I hoping glean more information from personal opinion than some generic description of the breed, I hope that makes sense. Personally I just want the eggs and don't care what color.
 
Yeah I know each person will be different, like dog or cats there is love or not, at least that is what I assume. But I hoping glean more information from personal opinion than some generic description of the breed, I hope that makes sense. Personally I just want the eggs and don't care what color.

I agree with what HEChicken said as far as you have to decide what your goals are first of all with the birds. If you just want pretty birds for show then you don't care as much about egg production. But if you want egg production also then you need to look at how many eggs do you want, just enough for your family or do you want extras to give to friends or family or to sell? There are so many factors when you're choosing breeds to look at. All of us on this board have different goals & that's OK because we can all do our own thing & still have in common our love for chickens in general & we help each other out when we have issues with health or whatever. We share our experiences & in that way we help others who may not have experienced those things. I personally have my laying flock & I have way more than I can use for my family so I sell eggs & have regular egg customers. It helps some with defraying the cost of feed, not completely but every little bit helps. I happen to like having lots of different birds for different colors of eggs & yard eye candy. Over the last couple of years I have learned there are some breeds I'm not that fond of & I won't get those again. I also have found some I really like. But as well as having hens for laying I also raise some rare breeds of birds because I enjoy that & hatching chicks for people. That isn't for everybody because it takes a huge amount of resources, money, pen space, time, feed, etc. It's something you really have to commit to or it doesn't work. There are a couple of us on this board right now that do this & we both work very hard at it. It may not be something I will do forever, but right now I'm enjoying what I'm doing. So anyway, I got off the track a little there, but you really need to decide exactly what your expectations are with these birds & then look for the breed or breeds that fit that the best.

Maybe if you can tell us what breeds you're thinking you might like we can all give our personal opinions on those.
 
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Thank you all. I feel like I am pointed in a better direction now. I was very overwhelmed at first and I hate feeling like that. I wrote down all the questions HEChicken suggested and that helped out tons. I didn't ask the right question but got the right answer, love that. I have a much narrowed down list now. I also finished my coop plans, measured my minimum lines from property edges. Going to start clearing land tomorrow afternoon, unless it rains again.
 
Thank you all. I feel like I am pointed in a better direction now. I was very overwhelmed at first and I hate feeling like that. I wrote down all the questions HEChicken suggested and that helped out tons. I didn't ask the right question but got the right answer, love that. I have a much narrowed down list now. I also finished my coop plans, measured my minimum lines from property edges. Going to start clearing land tomorrow afternoon, unless it rains again.
I have a beautiful young pure Blue Copper Marans cockerel (from Chicken Danz's eggs). I am looking for a placement for him where he will have a good life and a flock to protect. I am between Emporia and Admire. If you are interested in looking at him, pm me. I suspect he would make a very nice show bird for a 4H member.
 
I think that having chickens to most of us is a hobby. It can be an expensive hobby but they can contribute back some with selling eggs and birds and providing us with food for our tables. A with any hobby it can become less than fun if you don't get the right start. One of the joys for me is having a bird that you can enjoy, not a flighty bird that runs away or fights with the rest of the flock. Look for breeds that are calm, curious, and friendly. After that I consider the color of the bird,, then the color of the egg, and last on my list is meat production. My personal preference is to keep the breed pure, but there are some awesome looking mutts that can be just fun to have around the yard as the expensive purebreds. That's my two cents, spend it any way you like. ;)
 
Theresa you said there are some breeds that you have had but didn,t like what are they? I have never had a flock of leghorns but I usually have one or two and with the other hens I do not find them flighty. I don,t pick up or carry my hens but when I bring in feed I trip over leghorns also. I know Hechicken has some (I will not even try to spell) leghorns, how are they working out?
 
I had a doctor's appointment yesterday, and the doctor said that things continue to look good. He didn't do a pelvic exam, but he did measure my belly. AS he was doing so, he felt for Baby's head and said that Baby was lower than last week. He said he wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make it until next Tuesday's appointment. :)

On another note, I just got word that my dad (who has Parkinsons) tripped over the bathroom rug when getting out of the shower and felt something tear in his shoulder. My mom took him to the ER and the XRays said that he didn't have any broken bones. However, my dad has a pacemaker (for his brain, for his Parkinsons) and therefore can't have an MRI. So, they're putting him in a sling and sending him home with pain meds. If he doesn't get better in a week, they'll scope his shoulder to check for a torn rotator cuff. This is definitely not ideal timing for such a thing as neither me nor my sister (who is also pregnant - due 11/27) should really be traveling that far. It's a good thing it didn't turn out any worse, but a torn rotator cuff could require surgery, and this isn't a very good time for that either...
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