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[cluckcluckluke]

Quote: I hope one day to learn them ALL, their properties, atomic numbers and symbols.
How many numbers of PI do you know? That is so cool!

But there would still be the need for doctors?!?!

Quote: I am just having a bit of problem with quadratic equations. Talking of them, I really need to get off BYC and do them!

What do you tutor? Or do you get tutored?
Yeah, that is fine

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Perhaps we should PM though? or do you think we could take over that thread for our selves.lol?

 

[hemet dennis]

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Well I'm not entirely sure as to the answer to that question, but I'm assuming because people grow their own food, there'd be no need for them to go out and train to be doctors so they can earn a salary and buy food from the supermarket.

Or maybe just because farming is a pretty full-time job, especially when there's vegetables, grains, meat and other processed foods (like jam, bread, etc.) for every person or family to take care of!

Fierlin1182 Gave a good enough answer.

 

[Fierlin1182]

But there would still be the need for doctors?!?!

There would be, but who'd do it?

In this situation everyone needs to grow their own food and take care of their own affairs, including the potential doctors. There'd be nowhere else to get it from it people produced only for themselves. These doctors would have to take up the medical profession on top of that backbreaking work, and do it for little or no reward.


It would be hard enough to get enough people to become doctors by offering them the food and housing they need in return for their services.

But when they already have these necessities because they've grown their own crops and built their own house?

No thanks! There would be no doctors, but a pressing need!




ETA: Plus, to have doctors you'd need teachers, nurses, and receptionists, and ambulance drivers, etc. The same arguments probably apply there - how will society function if everyone only took care of their own family and therefore spent all their time working on just producing enough food? Surely it's better both for productivity and everyone's spirits to work together as a community. Or, you know, a species It's more efficient to grow and harvest food in bulk anyway, with machines, so people could be freed up to do other, equally as important jobs. We could accomplish a whole lot more, and ensure a wider variety of goods and services for everyone, of better quality too as people can focus on the job they do best. Everyone's skills and collective resources could be used to improve society as a whole, instead of the people who aren't good at manual work/farming struggling to stay alive while those who are have a surplus of food and wait in need of professionals because they need help in other aspects of their lives.

 

[Fierlin1182]

I hope one day to learn them ALL, their properties, atomic numbers and symbols.
How many numbers of PI do you know? That is so cool!

Have you learned about periodicity? Each group on the periodic table has a certain set of properties, which are the same for all elements in that group. You wouldn't have to learn 120 different sets of properties, only ten at most.

I'm up to 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375.... 10582079? Something like that, I'm not too sure about the last group, it's been a while since I directed any attention towards Pi.

I am just having a bit of problem with quadratic equations. Talking of them, I really need to get off BYC and do them!



What do you tutor? Or do you get tutored?

Yeah, that is fine !

Perhaps we should PM though? or do you think we could take over that thread for our selves.lol?

Quadratic equations were so much fun. (said dryly) If you need any specific help, feel free to ask. We did so much with quadratics and other polynomials, all through maths, that I think all the principles involved have been irreversibly etched onto my brain

Tutorials are kind of like the classes of high school. For each subject, we have lectures, tutorials and (for my sciencey courses) practicals. Lectures have hundreds of people in them, where the theory is covered, and tutorials are small groups where we can work through questions together and the tutor can go through them on the board.


We can PM if you like. Or we could do work for a bit. I should be watching my process eng videocasts. I'm halfway through the second one now, but I've paused it so I can do this much more interesting conversation on BYC. (just kidding, process eng is fun. It's better than just maths or chemistry.)

 

[cluckcluckluke]

Quote: Me, so that I can real in the doe!!!
Don't doctors and dentists have the highest suicidal rate than any other job or something?
Why would you be sad if you have all that money ( my ignorance is bliss

)!!!

Oh so I would only be paid in carrots?

Quote: They are super fun ( said even more dryly ). Thank you very much for your offer but it's sort of only a taster. I will have to delve further into it next year when I do advanced of extension maths. So for now I am on top of it, for now.

Oh, we call ours periods ( don't ask why!?!?! ). So are you in UNI? Because we sure don't have lectures and tutorials at my high school.

Well I am pretty tired now ( after training etc ) so I think I will save the PM's ( science talk ) till the weekend.
Gosh I am such a nerd, now I can't wait for the weekend hahah!!!

Are you being sarcastic about this BYC convo? haha or are you sincere but joking about English being bad????

 

[Fierlin1182]

Me, so that I can real in the doe!!!
Don't doctors and dentists have the highest suicidal rate than any other job or something?
Why would you be sad if you have all that money ( my ignorance is bliss )!!!

Oh so I would only be paid in carrots?

Rats, I kind of forgot we were still considering money. But if everyone produced everything for themselves nobody would need anything, so nobody could sell anything. Where'd the money come from to pay the doctors? Even if the doctors were somehow paid, if everyone were producing only for themselves, where would the doctors buy food and products from with that money? It's surely unreasonable to expect someone to deal with two full-time jobs and get no extra reward, besides in a few cases personal satisfaction (hard to appreciate in a state of exhaustion!).

I guess doctors and dentists have to deal with a lot of gore and disease (and sometimes tragedy) on a daily basis. It can't be a cheerful job, although people must find it rewarding somehow to keep doing it. Either because they're helping others, or because they're making a lot of money. Medicine isn't exactly the kind of job people "fall back onto" as a last resort career.

Money isn't everything, by a long shot. The rich can buy whatever they want and have whatever they want, but maybe that makes their lives meaningless because they have no goals, at least materially. Money also can't buy some important things, such as real success in friendships and relationships, or health. (Even expensive treatments can't cure some things.)

They are super fun ( said even more dryly ). Thank you very much for your offer but it's sort of only a taster. I will have to delve further into it next year when I do advanced of extension maths. So for now I am on top of it, for now.
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Oh, we call ours periods ( don't ask why!?!?! ). So are you in UNI? Because we sure don't have lectures and tutorials at my high school.
(2)

Well I am pretty tired now ( after training etc ) so I think I will save the PM's ( science talk ) till the weekend.
Gosh I am such a nerd, now I can't wait for the weekend hahah!!!

Are you being sarcastic about this BYC convo? haha or are you sincere but joking about English being bad????
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(1) That's good to know! Good luck for extension. I did high level maths in year 11 and 12, and we had to do so much thinking... (the proofs might even be understandable in human language, but of course we had to do them in terms of A or x or theta, and the eyes ended up swimming with pronumerals.

(2) I'm in uni. I just started this year, but I'm finding it pretty cool already (or is that "still"? ).

(3) No, I was saying "just kidding" about process engineering being boring. Because it's not. It's by far my most interesting course for first semester! This conversation isn't boring either, by any means. It's hard to choose.


Yay weekends Nerds of the world ... unite! I shall soon be saying farewell because it's time to go home. I stayed in the city today because I needed to watch those videos. (fast internet)

 

[cluckcluckluke]

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[Bens-Hens]

In a perfect world, if everyone was self sufficient, had ample land and was educated enough to be self sufficient, 'no doctors' may work....on the surface.

IMO, that's how it used to be, and for whatever reason, it didn't work, and humans evolved into farming. Someone will always fall from something and break a bone that requires setting. It's only a matter of time until someone says "hey, I am REALLY bad at growing enough wheat for my family, so how about I fix that arm pointing in the wrong direction and you sling me a few loaves of bread, before you know it we are where we are now.

Cities and farms, cities support the farms, and farms support all those that don't know how to raise beef, sheep, wheat, barley, and straw for out nest boxes hahaha I guess right in the middle is industry too, making all the things that make both tick. I don't say any is better than the other. They all have their strong point and none would exist without the others.

I just fail to see how if everyone on the planet had 1 acre to provide for themselves, how it would really work, I mean, thats how life began.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. I wish I had more land and I strive to provide more for my family from my own back yard, but I also acknowledge I am terrible at being a doctor or producing petrol for my equipment, so I would rather pay for it rather than try make my own, or worse yet have my bone head neighbors try make their own! That's a recipe for disaster if I ever saw one hahahaha

Sigh, some day I will have a few more acres and we can have a red hot go at it anyway, the food that is not the petrol!

 

[Farmer Mike S]

In a perfect world, if everyone was self sufficient, had ample land and was educated enough to be self sufficient, 'no doctors' may work....on the surface.

IMO, that's how it used to be, and for whatever reason, it didn't work, and humans evolved into farming. Someone will always fall from something and break a bone that requires setting. It's only a matter of time until someone says "hey, I am REALLY bad at growing enough wheat for my family, so how about I fix that arm pointing in the wrong direction and you sling me a few loaves of bread, before you know it we are where we are now.

Cities and farms, cities support the farms, and farms support all those that don't know how to raise beef, sheep, wheat, barley, and straw for out nest boxes hahaha I guess right in the middle is industry too, making all the things that make both tick. I don't say any is better than the other. They all have their strong point and none would exist without the others.

I just fail to see how if everyone on the planet had 1 acre to provide for themselves, how it would really work, I mean, thats how life began.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. I wish I had more land and I strive to provide more for my family from my own back yard, but I also acknowledge I am terrible at being a doctor or producing petrol for my equipment, so I would rather pay for it rather than try make my own, or worse yet have my bone head neighbors try make their own! That's a recipe for disaster if I ever saw one hahahaha

Sigh, some day I will have a few more acres and we can have a red hot go at it anyway, the food that is not the petrol!

Even though I said a society where we all support ourselves would be an ideal society, it truly wouldn't work because humans aren't perfect. If we were able to eliminate the X factors like injury and disease for example, we may be able to start talking about living that way, but it's not reality so we can't. There are just too many things for a single person or family to learn to be truly self sufficient and live life to the fullest. So it is true that we need people of different trades for us to thrive, but that's not to say we are anywhere close to perfect in the way our society is currently set up. There are many flaws in our society, some obvious, and some beyond my understanding; some that can be fixed easily, some that are nearly impossible to fix.

While I'm a full supporter of city and country life relying on each other, and needing each other to thrive, none better than the other, important in their own way; if there was some kind of economic or government collapse, the country people would be the ones better off in my opinion to survive. The three minimum things we really need to survive and continue on is food/water, shelter, and reproduction. In some places in the country people have to rely on water being brought to them, but other than that exception, you should still have the minimum to survive. Most people who live city life rely on public water, and food being brought to them. They also often lack the space and knowledge to grow their own. This is part of my worries of people becoming to reliant on public utilities; you can't always depend in them to be there. I live in the suburbs, and just the way people act when their power is out for a day, or if there's an inch of snow on the ground, really concerns me about the future of mankind. It also concerns me how people arent even capable of simple tasks like working a lawn mower. This is a whole other topic I don't have time to get into right this second, but I had to throw the point out there

 

[Bens-Hens]

Even thought I said a society where we all support ourselves would be an ideal society, it truly wouldn't work because humans aren't perfect. If we were able to eliminate the X factors like injury and disease for example, we may be able to start talking about living that way, but it's not reality so we can't. There are just too many things for a single person or family to learn to be truly self sufficient and live life to the fullest. So it is true that we need people of different trades for us to thrive, but that's not to say we are anywhere close to perfect in the way our society is currently set up. There are many flaws in our society, some obvious, and some beyond my understanding; some that can be fixed easily, some that are nearly impossible to fix.

While I'm a full supporter of city and country life relying on each other, and needing each other to thrive, none better than the other, important in their own way; if there was some kind of economic or government collapse, the country people would be the ones better off in my opinion to survive. The three minimum things we really need to survive and continue on is food/water, shelter, and reproduction. In some places in the country people have to rely on water being brought to them, but other than that exception, you should still have the minimum to survive. Most people who live city life rely on public water, and food being brought to them. They also often lack the space and knowledge to grow their own. This is part of my worries of people becoming to reliant on public utilities; you can't always depend in them to be there. I live in the suburbs, and just the way people act when their power is out for a day, or if there's an inch of snow on the ground, really concerns me about the future of mankind. It also concerns me how people arent even capable of simple tasks like working a lawn mower. This is a whole other topic I don't have time to get into right this second, but I had to throw the point out there

I agree, especially about how reliant people are in our modern world. I have a step brother who struggles with flat pack furniture let alone any form of working equipment! I too live in suburbia, but have spent much time on the family farm and have great respect for rural life. My family know and understand where our food comes from, we (including our kids) process chickens at home for consumption. We grow as many veggies as possible and are always expanding where we can, but we are far from self sufficient. I do love my power, when it's off I go find something else to do, but I get a bit antsy when my stockpile of meat starts to defrost!

It is scary, I hear you there. We help our kids school out with some stuff, and one day while talking chickens my son said to another girl "Do you know where your eggs come from" and she replied "the shop" and my friends think I am weird for letting my kids pull feathers hahaha

Reminds me to have another look for a decent rain water tank.