Cornish Thread

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Jx2inNC, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. kfacres

    kfacres Chillin' With My Peeps

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    your 'calico' looks nearly identical to my WLR cockerels about the time they first feather out complete. From that point onward, they get redder and redder with each molt.
     
  2. Cedarknob

    Cedarknob Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for the info. I suppose that if I wanted to, they could be shown as AOV - jubilee; the winning WLR cockerel at Crossroads had black in his tail as well as pattern problems so correct color isn't absolutely necessary when you get good type.

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    However, while they can breed either true dark or jubilee chicks, as well as a mix of colors, their main value to me is that these mixed variety juveniles that I have all carry one copy of recessive white. I hope to be able to get some solid whites from them, of decent quality, to establish a good line of WC.
     
  3. Minniechickmama

    Minniechickmama Senora Pollo Loco

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    Here is something I just started wondering, If I put a DC over my WLR pullets, what happens to color?
    Kelly, I ended up with all 4 being pullets that I hatched from you this spring. One is a DC who is WAY too leggy, more hatchery type that I put in with my good DC pen from spangledcornish. The 3 WLR girls look really great, except the color on 2 of them isn't so hot. Their type is excellent. So, since I don't have a WLR to put over, I am wondering about the cross color.
    I might get to Ohio Nationals, and if I do will be looking for a couple roos to add to the flock and the WLR will be on my shopping list. But if I don't, I want to be able to use these girls for something beside a meat breeding pen.
     
  4. Cedarknob

    Cedarknob Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I think that you have to have the bird e^b at the E locus [partridge based], plus Co/Co [columbian], and I/I [dominant white] in order to get the WLR pattern to express correctly and breed true. Crossing DC and WLR is obviously being done by some, but the chicks will be CO+co, and I+i,; throwing the pattern off and allowing black bleed in the white, which is what the winning WLR at Crossroads looked like. My own DC, evidently unlike many, are wheaten based at the E locus. If your pullets were sired by the DC that they had from me, this throws an additional wrench in the works, as their mothers were already carrying at least one copy for wheaten plus were I+i and Co+co; however Big Medicine's crossbreds appeared to be partridge based. Either way, getting their offspring to the proper pattern will be difficult but not impossible. As frequently mentioned however, build the barn first and then paint it; getting correct type being the first priority IMO.

    ETA that those pullets should throw 50/50, dark/white, laced off a DC, but likely to be incorrect for either single or double lace, though the visual color may be close to either, especially double laced. You should not get darks from using a proper WLR on them, but likely to get 50% of the chicks leaking black in the white, and again problems with pattern. The hatchery sourced WLRs that the pullets I used to have were not correctly patterned for that variety, though some did have a single lace. If you have a copy of the 2010 APA SOP, look at the color drawings they have of WLR Cornish; there is a very precise pattern for WLR that few birds actually have.
     
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  5. Cedarknob

    Cedarknob Chillin' With My Peeps

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    These pictures demonstrate why I am crossing varieties to come up with a line of WC of my own. The WCs at Crossroads are actually the only ones I've ever seen in the flesh, and knew that the white variety is getting even more rare than DC and WLRC large fowl. I try to track show wins by following shows over the web, and just don't see the WC beating out the DC or WLR for best of breed, despite the whites not having a pattern to get correct. Some of my DCs had pretty good size, depth, and type, but poor color; so I decided to attempt breeding whites off them.

    No disrespect meant to the breeder of these two whites; I know he is one of the most successful breeders of large fowl whites being shown, and the one has shank girth that is truly outstanding. Here are the first and second place WCs, compared to three of the top placed darks.

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    The bodies of many of the other varieties, and most obviously the darks, were wider, deeper, and heavier, even comparing females to the white males.


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  6. Cedarknob

    Cedarknob Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Mlnniechickmamma, could we see to see a picture of those WLR pullets please?
     
  7. Minniechickmama

    Minniechickmama Senora Pollo Loco

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    I will try to get some today. They aren't easy to get still for a photo shoot while on pasture. A couple of tails are in such great shape, but you can still see on them that they have good type, and the color is way too much red, except one has good color - not great, but good.
     
  8. kfacres

    kfacres Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Breed them together, and hope for whites...

    I have (potential) full siblings to them- that are solid white...

    I have one WLR pullet I kept- that is almost solid red-- but has tremendous single lacing. I have found those with a lot of white on them- are double laced... and that' snot good.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure WLR, should be mostly red- with white laces-- meaning they should be too red...
     
  9. Minniechickmama

    Minniechickmama Senora Pollo Loco

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    Not like these, they are very lacking in lacing. I will get pictures up to show you all.

    If anyone knows of any Standard WLR breeders in or around Minnesota, I would like to get their name/number. I had asked Duane Urch if he knows any and he said their aren't any good ones around here that he knows of. The ones I saw at our State Fair last year were pathetic, nothing more than hatchery stock. I am talking in the Open show.
     
  10. Cedarknob

    Cedarknob Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Proper WLR pattern


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