Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[ChocolateMouse]

Incidentally. Many places are claiming they're contact tracing within the workforce but they really aren't. Places like the grocery D works at don't really tell you if someone you've worked with caught it. They get around it by using the "15 minutes indoors" thing. They define the 15 minutes as constant contact so if you work with someone and go in and out of their space for hours and hours of the day it may never count as "exposure". So somehow "nobody has been exposed" at his work, even though they were having up to a dozen cases in two weeks.

At somewhere like TSC, they claim a single 3' plastic shield counts as "not exposed" even if the customer or the employee is unmasked, and even though you can't be 6' away or there's plenty of angles for airflow to move through.

So we'd need some really clear definitions of contact tracing, or something like the cell phone anonymous tracing app I've mentioned before.
We'd also need a way for the people to get by while in contact tracing quarantine. Maybe all those direct fund checks could be mailed to specifically anyone who got caught up in the contact tracing.

 

[IamRainey]

Iceland did have a very unique program of aggressive contract tracing while permitting tourism following a personal quarantine. We've talked about it here before. Of course, Iceland has a very small population limited to a few cities and their environs. It has limited tourism compared to most countries. And it was headed by a central government that took responsibility for communicating a coherent strategy and monitoring the situation.

There was an enormous number of things we might have done beginning a year ago when we were being told it would simply go away. Of course, it was the virus we were hoping would go away not nearly half a million fellow citizens.

 

[EmmaDonovan]

You did address perceptions. First line. I think people are capable of not being all three of those at once but I also think the motivation behind any of those is largely from the same cause.

I think we're talking past each other. I asked for feedback about those statements as stand-alone facts. Can someone be pro-vaxx generally and not confident in these vaccines, specifically? That's a yes or no response. You went far wide and introduced many other topics: motivation, demographics, etc.

I was trying to keep things simple so we could get clarity on that one point. If agreement can't be reached, clarity is the next best goal, in my opinion. You get clarity and can move on from there. But sometimes it doesn't happen.

There's no FDA approved preventative other than the several vaccines moving forward

What?? Why would someone would limit their health options, especially on such an important issue, by deferring to the FDA?

 

[RebeccaRN]

You did address perceptions. First line. I think people are capable of not being all three of those at once but I also think the motivation behind any of those is largely from the same cause. When you say I lump them together, I do, by their root cause and effect, not their specific statements. (But also demographically if you believe one of these you're more likely to believe the others.)

However TEEEEECHNICAALY The only one of those statements I disagree with is the last one. The first could, for example, be motivated by ignorance or previous allergic reactions to vaccines. The second you could have ideals that have been proven in the last year to not work very well when implemented boots on the ground, in which case I think you're misguided. But not really the third.

I must admit I am giving the benefit of the doubt that these people don't want to die and also respect facts. Because if we don't agree that other lives are worth not-killing and that facts are factual there's no discussion to be had. It's just one person saying something factual and the other saying "nuh-UHHHHH 'cause I said".

So. If you believe COVID is serious because it's made by demons, or bill gates, or Moloch as some people do... Or if you believe it's serious for factual reasons and just don't care about someone elses behavior endangering you... Well I suppose you're technically correct.

But otherwise it's either it's a deadly virus that someone else could spread to you and that's serious.... Or it's not.



Unfortunately for many people they are. Many people are deeply uninsured and can't see doctors. There's no FDA approved preventative other than the several vaccines moving forward, though some doctors are prescribing experimental treatments (assuming you can afford to see a doctor). Most folks aren't yet eligible for the vaccine. Most people don't have the option to never leave home - they must either work to afford that home, or might not live in a place where grocery delivery is an option for example. So it can be hard to be responsible for you own health when options are limited. And these are people who probably work full time and live with other people.

I know a lot of people in these situations, unfortunately. Once we have the tools, like free/low cost vaccines, to make ourselves safe then yes I agree it becomes our responsibility. Or if an FDA prophylactic treatment gets approved and people are capable of seeing doctors to get it at a low cost form a pharmacy. But we don't yet.



This would be pretty good. Unfortunately I don't think it's possible to implement any more. There's too many people and it's too endemic.
Contact tracing works best on a smaller scale, when infection rates are lower. That's actually how we managed Ebola was contact tracing and quarantine and it worked great cause we caught it early. I would LOVE to see it happen but it would be a MASS coordination at this point and many people would balk at it. I mean, if wearing a wee mask is too much a violation of someone's freedom imagine how violating being TRACED is!?!? Plenty of people who don't want one don't want the other either...

I wouldn't mind at all. I would be all kinds of down to clown with contact tracing and individual quarantines. I'd be thrilled.

Yes wish we could have started tracing right away

 

[Winter Creek Coop]

Are masks and vaccines all there is?

I just posted earlier about the combo pack India is giving out that costs under three dollars a pack. It has ivermectin, zinc, and doxicycline in it. This is the kind of thing that could be given to every single American in short order for pennies. Safe and proven drugs with incredible results. Any push for this type of preventative or treatment seems to get pushback from on high and has to be driven with grassroots support.

 

[David61]

Dr. Fauci warns against large Super Bowl parties: 'Now is not the time to do that' | Fox News

"Enjoy the game, watch it on television but do it with the immediate members of your family, the people in your household," he said. "As much fun as it is to get together for a big Super Bowl party, now is not the time to do that."

yet, the rules are different for others under.

Some fans will have the chance to view the game in person -- of course, while following strict health protocols.

just wrong on so many levels for sure and i can't believe the their reasoning is anything but conjecture. If he is an expert i'm the pope.
I have yet to see any strict health protocols at any gathering, store or vent i have been to or in my travels around the nation the last year.
I know cashiers in stores, school teachers and others who have not or could not change life styles . Did or didn't use a mask.
Didn't make a difference . We are making to much of this by trying In vain to control what can't.

 

[EmmaDonovan]

I just posted earlier about the combo pack India is giving out that costs under three dollars a pack. It has ivermectin, zinc, and doxicycline in it. This is the kind of thing that could be given to every single American in short order for pennies. Safe and proven drugs with incredible results. Any push for this type of preventative or treatment seems to get pushback from on high and has to be driven with grassroots support.

Yes, in Lucknow, IIRC. You'd think anyone passionate about prevention and treatment would learn absolutely everything they could about them and not limit their health and the health of their loved ones to only what they're officially allowed to know as determined by the alphabet soup groups.

 

[EmmaDonovan]

I have yet to see any strict health protocols at any gathering, store or vent i have been to or in my travels around the nation the last year. I know cashiers in stores, school teachers and others who have not or could not change life styles.

And I think we're all aware by now that the elites, or at least those who consider themselves such, are doing whatever they darn well please. "Rules for thee but not for me."

 

[Winter Creek Coop]

And I think we're all aware by now that the elites, or at least those who consider themselves such, are doing whatever they darn well please. "Rules for thee but not for me."

Dr Birx parents were lonely and depressed. haha. Like everyone else’s parents weren’t freakin lonely.

 

[cheepteach]

all I know is, we've been socially distancing, masking, doing curbside pickup for everything, and have been healthy so far. DD had a healthy pregnancy and a great new son. Vaccine isn't available here yet. We will continue.