Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[Winter Creek Coop]

Got my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and I expected to feel tired and a bit achey today; but actually, I feel pretty good. I am really appreciating the CDC's V-safe app that keeps track of how I'm doing post-vaccine. If I report any serious side effects, they say they will call to check on me.

I'd like to highly encourage those who choose to get covid vaccinations to use V-safe; it's a great way to help advance the science of vaccines going forward so they can be even safer for everyone.

I hope you have good results and protection.

 

[KarynVA]

I hope you have good results and protection.

Thank you. I am in generally good health, so I am fortunate. Besides, getting sick with covid is not on my wish list; so if I have troubles later from the vaccine, I am confident it can be cared for as the research continues to advance in the meantime.

That's the thing about science, and viruses. Neither of them stand still in time; always evolving, always changing, becoming more and more sophisticated. Sure, there can be bumps along the way but that's true of everything in life.

 

[Yowza Wowza]

That's the thing about science, and viruses. Neither of them stand still in time; always evolving, always changing, becoming more and more sophisticated. Sure, there can be bumps along the way but that's true of everything in life.

 

[Winter Creek Coop]

Thank you. I am in generally good health, so I am fortunate. Besides, getting sick with covid is not on my wish list; so if I have troubles later from the vaccine, I am confident it can be cared for as the research continues to advance in the meantime.

That's the thing about science, and viruses. Neither of them stand still in time; always evolving, always changing, becoming more and more sophisticated. Sure, there can be bumps along the way but that's true of everything in life.

That’s true. They don’t stand still. But that doesn’t mean hasty science needs to be put into our bodies.

Consider for a moment that if there is a negative reproductive component to the vaccine as there have been in previous attempts at SARS vaccines, and 90% of our childbearing population takes it. Consider the consequences of finding that out after the fact.

Same goes for the autoimmune concerns. A collegue of mine had immune therapy as an added layer of defense against the cancer he had removed. Almost immediately, after having no prior autoimmune issues, he developed a crippling autoimmune response in his colon. Now their plan is to basicaly destroy his immune system and keep him on antibiotics the rest of his life. He has been suicidal for the last month. I understand that this is not a straight across comparison. He did also get one of the vaccines during this time on the advice of his doctor’s even though they don’t know the effects of combining immune therapy with an immune therapy vaccine. But shots in arms.

What if we just did what the Indian state of U.P. did? Give a proven treatment and preventative to everyone who has symptoms or has been around a symptomatic person. That should be the first line. Anyone under 50 should strongly consider other options. Anyone of child bearing age should consider other options to the vaccine.

I see three groups of people here:

One is scared and still masked and waiting for options.

Another group is living completely normally because they are on or have easy access to ivermectin or other treatments.

And finally those who are venturing out and feel some freedom because they are vaccinated.

Even in this thread there are those that think every individual should recieve the covid vaxx consequences be damned.

I’ll also remind you all I have had a tetnus shot recently. I am not opposed to all vaccines.

 

[KarynVA]

"Hasty science". Sure.

https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/manufacturing-and-distribution/pledge

The CEOs of AstraZeneca, BioNTech, GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson, Merck, Moderna, Novavax, Pfizer, and Sanofi, have made a historic pledge to the world, outlining a united commitment to uphold the integrity of the scientific process as they work towards potential regulatory filings and approvals of the first COVID-19 vaccines.

All nine CEOs signed the following pledge:

[It's worth reading the whole thing. But here's an excerpt:]
More specifically, the agency requires that scientific evidence for regulatory approval must come from large, high quality clinical trials that are randomized and observer-blinded, with an expectation of appropriately designed studies with significant numbers of participants across diverse populations.

Following guidance from expert regulatory authorities such as FDA regarding the development of COVID-19 vaccines, consistent with existing standards and practices

Also,
“There was a lot of money that was freed up and moved to the places where research was being done,” Burton told Healthline.

In addition, enrollment for trials that require the number of people that the COVID-19 trials did usually take years. However, these trials filled up fast.

“The public was rooting for us. When we started to enroll trials, there was lots of interest, so we had an easier time maybe than standard in terms of enrollment,” Burton said.

Dr. Kathleen Jordan, infectious disease specialist and senior vice president of medical affairs at Tia, agreed.

She said the prevalence of COVID-19 allowed the trial period to be short.

“[In] only a few months the numbers could show efficacy as placebo arms quickly evolved as being inferior. In less common diseases, it takes years for enough people to be affected in either arm to show the difference, so trials usually require much longer observation periods for the incidence to be statistically significant,” Jordan told Healthline.

Both the mRNA and adenovirus technologies behind the COVID-19 vaccines were built on decades of research and experience.

“The scientific community wasn’t starting from scratch. Adenovirus and mRNA technology has been used in humans for decades. These are not new technologies. It’s mature, safe technology that was tailored and employed to fight this pandemic,” Jordan said.

 

[Beer can]

mRNA technology has been used in humans for decades. These are not new technologies. It’s mature, safe technology that was tailored and employed to fight this pandemic,” Jordan said.

Been used in very small studies and for some reason before covid-19 no mRNA drug or vaccine had been licensed for use in humans.

 

[h2oratt]

I agree that does sound pretty drastic. But look at it this way. If a person is mentally ill and has become a danger to themself or others; and if they don't comply with medical procedures to take their medication and to follow through on treatment plans, those individuals can be involuntarily committed to a mental health institution for the safety of all concerned.

Do you object to that?

A person who shows no symptoms of covid but may be actively transmitting the deadly virus unknowingly is a danger to themself and others. If they do not comply with voluntary quarantine requirements, they can be involuntarily quarantined. Drastic circumstances require drastic response, to protect overall societal health and well being.

How are they a danger to themselves?

 

[KarynVA]

How are they a danger to themselves?

You mean people who have the covid virus but don't realize it? If they aren't showing symptoms and therefore don't know, they won't get treatment and their blood oxygen levels could reach dangerous levels before they are able to get treatment.

It's known as "silent hypoxia". See more info here:
https://www.livescience.com/silent-hypoxia-killing-covid-19-coronavirus-patients.html

 

[h2oratt]

You mean people who have the covid virus but don't realize it? If they aren't showing symptoms and therefore don't know, they won't get treatment and their blood oxygen levels could reach dangerous levels before they are able to get treatment.

It's known as "silent hypoxia". See more info here:
https://www.livescience.com/silent-hypoxia-killing-covid-19-coronavirus-patients.html

Oh ok. So with no symptoms you can still have low oxygen.

 

[Beer can]

Welp, on capitol hill today Fauci, the highest paid bureaucrat in Washington couldn't answer the question when is the USA going to get their liberties back, couldn't give a number of vaccinations couldn't give a number of drop in cases. Couldn't/refused to answer the question.