Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[C Siena]

With Christian morality, communism would be fine too ))) Personally, I admit it doesn't matter at all - I've lived under both communism and capitalism.
Without Christian morality any system is doomed. Or at least the canons of Islam (but not radical and not militant) are needed.

I disagree. In True Christian morality, communism is not acceptable/fine.
As a True Christian, follower of Christ Jesus/God, I cannot do certain things, live in a way opposed to His teachings. I understand there are people who believe differently, in another god, that is a choice according to the knowledge one has. I believe It matters.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

Not all Human nature is immoral and/or self serving. If one has morals and acts/lives by them these "things" will not happen...well as much.

This is why philosophy exists. I think you'd really like Kant's point of view. I know I'm a fan.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

I like capitalism but with true Christian morals.

Didn't the crusades happen because of those?

 

[saysfaa]

I love good discussions about religion and about politics. And this has been a very, very good one. But we all agreed to not talk about either on this forum except in private conversations

Please copy/paste the such posts that you have made on this thread to there. Then delete them here.

I'm not a moderator but this way we won't lose this one place we can talk about covid.

 

[saysfaa]

I spent a couple of days with a doctor last month at his house (he is my almost-daughter-in-law's father.) He is the doctor at a very large prison as he has been for many years. I can't remember if he is the only doctor there or the head doctor but one of the two.

Covid came up. He said nearly everyone at his prison got covid but only a single one died. That person came in with full blown covid.

He said the numbers of cases and of deaths were reported. And reported as coming from a prison - with the typical prison environment and the typical (notably very poor) health of the inmates. The numbers were available to the media as well as other people with influence.

He said if anyone with influence had been serious about treating covid effectively, they would have asked him what he was doing.

What he did was give everyone vitamin D. He checked their levels but virtually everyone was very deficient.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

I love good discussions about religion and about politics. And this has been a very, very good one. But we all agree to not talk about either on this forum except in private conversations

Please copy/paste the such posts that you have made on this thread to there. Then delete them here.

I'm nit a moderator but this way we won't lose this one place we can talk about covid.

Very good point. Thank you

 

[C Siena]

I love good discussions about religion and about politics. And this has been a very, very good one. But we all agree to not talk about either on this forum except in private conversations

Please copy/paste the such posts that you have made on this thread to there. Then delete them here.

I'm nit a moderator but this way we won't lose this one place we can talk about covid.

I'll behave

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

I spent a couple of days with a doctor last month at his house (he is my almost-daughter-in-law's father.) He is the doctor at a very large prison as he has been for many years. I can't remember if he is the only doctor there or the head doctor but one of the two.

Covid came up. He said nearly everyone at his prison got covid but only a single one died. That person came in with full blown covid.

He said the numbers of cases and of deaths were reported. And reported as coming from a prison - with the typical prison environment and the typical (notably very poor) health of the inmates. The numbers were available to the media as well as other people with influence.

He said if anyone with influence had been serious about treating covid effectively, they would have asked him what he was doing.

What he did was give everyone vitamin D. He checked their levels but virtually everyone was very deficient.

I like to watch a show called "Lockup" in which they go into county jails/prisons and interview some of the inmates. I feel it gives me some perspective into human nature as well as provides me sympathy for the incarcerated.

The covid episodes are interesting depending on the prison. Some places it looks like all they did was have the inmates mask up, and only during time in the "pod". And it's clear no one took that guideline seriously (people wearing the masks under their noses or even their chin). The show never addresses the covid guidelines in place at all although it's obvious that it is what I'd refer to as "a covid episode". I kinda wish that it did cause I'm interested. One jail I saw put inmates in quarantined ad seg for 5 days before sending them into gen pop but then it was pretty much a free-for-all.

Edit: I would also be remise if I didn't note that some prisons take in as many as 85,000 inmates a year. That's over 200 people per day. If there's anywhere that infection could spread rampantly...it's there. I find it interesting that was never brought up in any news that I saw during

 

[Pasha838]

I love good discussions about religion and about politics. And this has been a very, very good one. But we all agree to not talk about either on this forum except in private conversations

Please copy/paste the such posts that you have made on this thread to there. Then delete them here.

I'm nit a moderator but this way we won't lose this one place we can talk about covid.

I deleted.
This is a weak point for Russians - sometimes we really like to talk about history, politics, regardless of whether we understand it at all or not.

 

[Pasha838]

I like to watch a show called "Lockup" in which they go into county jails/prisons and interview some of the inmates. I feel it gives me some perspective into human nature as well as provides me sympathy for the incarcerated.

The covid episodes are interesting depending on the prison. Some places it looks like all they did was have the inmates mask up, and only during time in the "pod". And it's clear no one took that guideline seriously (people wearing the masks under their noses or even their chin). The show never addresses the covid guidelines in place at all although it's obvious that it is what I'd refer to as "a covid episode". I kinda wish that it did cause I'm interested. One jail I saw put inmates in quarantined ad seg for 5 days before sending them into gen pop but then it was pretty much a free-for-all.

Edit: I would also be remise if I didn't note that some prisons take in as many as 85,000 inmates a year. That's over 200 people per day. If there's anywhere that infection could spread rampantly...it's there. I find it interesting that was never brought up in any news that I saw during

In Russia, I have not heard of any cases of covid among prisoners. True, prisons here are located quite separately, and even the guards rarely leave these places. Perhaps it was something like group "self-isolation", when everyone sits inside a fenced-in building, closed off from the world, does not go anywhere and does not communicate with anyone in the outside world. I remember when I was studying to be the head of the gas department of the boiler room a long time ago, there was a colony (prison) employee in our group. Well, there was a rather comical situation - there were large gas boilers in the prison (used for heating and for producing hot water for washing), these boilers were in good condition, but very old, still Soviet-made. And according to the new law, it was impossible to use such boilers, because they did not have modern protective automation and an electric ignition system (they were lit the old-fashioned way, like in the 30s of the last century, with a burning piece of newspaper, opening the gas valve). Well, the gas service employees were very angry with this prison worker, because using such boilers was already prohibited by law. But they could not enter the prison territory and impose sanctions, because the prison is a restricted area where no one can come except for the guards and staff. And this story went on for several years, gas was supplied to the prison for the boilers, but it was impossible to turn them off, because to do this you had to go in and conduct an inspection. The inspectors could not go in there.
In general, what kind of covid is there - if even a state gas service inspector cannot visit gas boilers for inspection. There is no need to even talk about the rest, ordinary people (not inspectors). The story with these boilers lasted for several years, until they were finally replaced with modern ones. Only after that did the prison open the doors and let in the inspectors, who, having knocked on locked doors for years, became very angry and irritated.

As for prisoners - in general, it takes a very long time to get to prison here, first the criminals are kept for a long time in a kind of "preliminary" prison, while all sorts of prosecutorial proceedings and trials are carried out, and only after several months, or even a whole year. the prisoners go to the main prison (naturally, the time they spent in the "preliminary" is counted towards their sentence. There was even a case when one prisoner, who received a year in prison, never made it to the main prison, and was released from the "preliminary", the so-called "SIZO". Moreover, some prisoners did not go to prison at all - if there was no irrefutable evidence before the trial. They were released without receiving a prison term. At the same time, release on bail does not exist in Russia, if a person is suspected of a crime, then he will either be locked up in a "preliminary" prison, or forced to sign a paper according to which he has no right to leave the city where he lives (it all depends on the severity and evidence of the crime). Accordingly, when criminals had covid - they never made it to prison. They either got severe symptoms of the disease, and went not to prison, but to the hospital, or recovered - and went to prison without covid. This is the system here.
In general, as I understand it, in Russia, COVID simply did not reach the main prisons, due to their isolation.

The only thing I didn't understand in this story was what happened with visits to prisoners by their relatives. Probably, during the covid in the country, visits were simply prohibited.