Crate training. UPDATE: Biting and growling in nonplayful way. pg 4

[redhen]

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Tee hee hee..Aww! you cant yell at her..Shes tooooooooooo cute!

 

[KimberlyJ]

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Tee hee hee..Aww! you cant yell at her..Shes tooooooooooo cute!

I agree!!!

 

[Brindlebtch]

That is a MIGHTY CUTE bulldog!

Adorable. I almost died of a cuteness overdose!

 

[Jamie_Dog_Trainer]

I debated with myself over posting any more on this thread. The direction the advise has gone, in my opinion, is not good. I deal with aggression and fear issues in dogs as my specialty. I am not a trainer who overlooks bad behavior and I am not a trainer who avoids being physical with a dog when needed. With that said, my advice to the OP was based on the information she has provided. I am not sure giving her the advice to get so physical with her bulldog puppy is the best.

Why? Because I am not sure the OP has the knowledge and/or the will to carry through with the recent advice. I don't think, necessarily that the advice given is "terrible". Though i will qualify that I don't think truley alpha rolling a dog is the right thing to do, a scruff or a dog held on its side can be effective. I don't think it is the best way to gain respect and leadership in this particular situation. Given the breed and age of the dog and given the (limited) information provided from the owner.

I worry that if the OP goes with this advice that she may seem some results early on..but after the puppy is older and more confident, and if the training isn't carried out properly the dog will just get worse. I have seen this over and over. An owner reading a book or getting bad information from a Vet or other well meaning person..just to have it turn out with some avoidable aggression or other behavioral issue later. I would quote the philosophy of "First, Do No Harm".

I am NOT bashing anyone here, and my tone isn't meant to be an admonishement. I just don't want to see the budding relationship with this very young puppy harmed because the owner decided to go in the wrong direction. I think the issues with this puppy can be solved with a more structured environment, and more control in the hands of the owner. I would really hate for this puppy to be pushed into worse behavior because the owner isn't seeing the whole picture of the advice given.

 

[redhen]

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Very true...

 

[saxet]

I guess the 'wrong direction the adivice has taken' is aimed at me. Mind you, I never said to roll the pup. I said to stop yelling 'ouch' and take some charge. And yes, grabbing her by the scruff of the neck is one way that can easily be accomplished. If the poster has issues with that, then I really think that the pup will grow over her head anyway in due time (when things will be so much harder to correct) I don't think it will take a lot of firmer behavior to make a point with this pup. I do not read dominance, but opportunity. Naturally, everyone is limited by their own actions when it comes to what they can do with dogs. I mostly get the total nutcases, created by many many loving hands that were never used to give direction, and yes, some created by brutality, but a vast minority.
Nobody ever advised to be mean. But rather to set clear boundaries and limitations on what is or what is not allowed. I also adviced seeking a group to train the pup with, since internet diagnosis is a dangerous animal.
Sorry that you have taken issue with it, unless I misunderstood that, in which case I apologize.

 

[redhen]

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LOL..no she was talking to ME..

I said i roll my pups sometimes and do the scruff shake...

 

[Jamie_Dog_Trainer]

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No apologies needed.

 

[reveriereptile]

So far today I've been having her work (walk and commands) and use food to get her to let go of something she shouldn't have. It has worked pretty good so far. I've only been bit a couple times hard today. I did find out she does have food aggression towards other animals (a cat walked over cause the other dogs share with her). Might of been why she was trying to bite me when taking stuff away but with the food in return for the item and praise after has decreased the biteing. When she did bite me it was while holding or carrying her. I did give her the Kong when holding her after the bite. I went out to feed her and made her practice the sit command before putting the bowl down. After eating we went for a walk, came inside, and she played with her toys, practiced the give/take, got her belly rubbed, and chewed on her Kong. Then I took her back outside and got a stick and ran with the end on the ground since she likes to chase it cause of the grass movement. That wore her out till she quit running and brought her in and put her in her crate for a nap. I haven't heard any whines after I put her in the crate either. I'm going to keep working with this method before trying something new since this seems to be working.

 

[arabianequine]

I was also told to squeeze the mouth like around the whole nose and mouth till they whine and then let go when they bite and say no bite or something like that.....what do you guys think of that? Same kinda thing isnt it as grabbing the extra skin at the back of the neck?