Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[ChicKat]

This site may have been shared before and I just missed it, I thought it was helpful because it shows both correct birds and incorrect.

https://sites.google.com/site/creamlegbarsonline/gallery

https://sites.google.com/site/creamlegbarsonline/gallery

I'm so glad that you posted this--- for a couple of reasons. Don't all the Cockerels hold their tails at a 90-degrees from horizontal in these pictures? There are breeds (is it Dutch Bantams for example) that have a different than the 45-degree angle. And....I realize that a picture is a split second in time...but we haven't got many 45-degrees.

Also each of these cockerels has a very short back...quite unlike the artist's depeiction of the 'ideal' cream legbar we are discussing.

Last, but perhaps not least. Didn't I read that 'some white is acceptable' ??? Don't these birds have quite a LOT of white---especially on the wings. (i'm rather glad that I'm not a judge. I was reading someplace about someone comparing chickens to dog shows and saying that there is a lot of subjectivity in judging....) I'll have to go back and scan the posts here when I get a chance---but there is a lot of white in the wings of both those cockerels IMO -- and some white tail feathers are acceptable and maybe even desirable to give that flashy factor---but there is quite a lot of white in the tails.

Tell me if my eyes are going bad y'all. :O) ETA -- O.K. I see the white tails are the incorrect birds. whoops.

 

[Dirt Farmer]

I think the tails, especially with regard to the cocks, are one of the areas needing the most attention. The "moderately full" description doesn't apply to many, if any of the pictures. I would envision a tail similiar to a leghorn but not as long. The sickles and lesser sickles on most of the birds lack width, which tends to make them hang downward rather than extend back covering the main tail, with a graceful curve downward. Unlike its Rock parent the main sickles should extend further than the main tail. I think they look better when only slightly longer. The one drawing showing sickles about four inches beyond the tail appears to ruin the overall line. I also would agree that two or more feathers in the tail that are predominately positive white should be a fault. Finally, I have a couple cockerels that would have a hard time getting their tails up to a 45 degree angle. One is actually just about right and when he holds it there, the backline, stance and breast all look good, a very classic rooster type. I haven't participated in this thread because I wasn't sure I was all that committed to raising the breed. This group is so positive and energetic that I've decided I actually get more enjoyment from these "work in progress" birds than some of my jaw dropping Rocks (somebody else did all the work).

 

[Hangtown Farms]

I am actually looking for a few cream legbar hens with way to much gold in them. not for breeding to cream legbars but for my auto sexing olive egger project with my crele penedesenca

 

[nicalandia]

I am actually looking for a few cream legbar hens with way to much gold in them. not for breeding to cream legbars but for my auto sexing olive egger project with my crele penedesenca

you would be better off using an Olive egger instead of Cream lebars, they have some genes you dont want near your Already Crele Penedesenca...

 

[redchicken9]

I think the tails, especially with regard to the cocks, are one of the areas needing the most attention. The "moderately full" description doesn't apply to many, if any of the pictures. I would envision a tail similiar to a leghorn but not as long. The sickles and lesser sickles on most of the birds lack width, which tends to make them hang downward rather than extend back covering the main tail, with a graceful curve downward. Unlike its Rock parent the main sickles should extend further than the main tail. I think they look better when only slightly longer. The one drawing showing sickles about four inches beyond the tail appears to ruin the overall line. I also would agree that two or more feathers in the tail that are predominately positive white should be a fault. Finally, I have a couple cockerels that would have a hard time getting their tails up to a 45 degree angle. One is actually just about right and when he holds it there, the backline, stance and breast all look good, a very classic rooster type. I haven't participated in this thread because I wasn't sure I was all that committed to raising the breed. This group is so positive and energetic that I've decided I actually get more enjoyment from these "work in progress" birds than some of my jaw dropping Rocks (somebody else did all the work).

Thank-you for being here and saying this.
My breakfast this morning was fresh eggs and warm toast drizzled with house made dried red pepper sauce. Incredible. Simple. I like being here with this project and its purpose. It fits in with the concept of staying curious about life, ie. having things that make you tick.
What you wrote above that covers the look helps tremendously. If you can, please post a photo of a side profile of one of your jaw dropping rocks. Great to have part of the genetic heritage to compare/contrast!
There's a lot for me to do today, and I wish it wasn't so, I do intend to review female shape and post photos before the weekend is over. Please all, if you can do it go for it! You know how to do it! No need to wait for me. Language is a few posts back (post 496)!

 

[Hangtown Farms]

you would be better off using an Olive egger instead of Cream lebars, they have some genes you dont want near your Already Crele Penedesenca...

what genes are those?
the olive egger part would not work with my project unless it was already a legbar xcrele penedesenca cross

 

[nicalandia]

what genes are those?
the olive egger part would not work with my project unless it was already a legbar xcrele penedesenca cross

White Egg shell for starter, ... which will RUIN your dark eggs and set you back a few years of breeding...

why you choose a legbar is beyond me, but let me tell you, you dont Need nor whant legbars near your breeding pen..! oh but they are autosexing breed? it does not matter, Crele Penedesenca are based on eb(eb brown) cream legbars are based on e+(wildtype).. so that leaves what? Sex linked Barring as autosexing? you dont need that, why? because you already have it on your birds...

again stay away from the white egg shell gene

 

[Hangtown Farms]

White Egg shell for starter, ... which will RUIN your dark eggs and set you back a few years of breeding...

why you choose a legbar is beyond me, but let me tell you, you dont Need nor whant legbars near your breeding pen..! oh but they are autosexing breed? it does not matter, Crele Penedesenca are based on eb(eb brown) cream legbars are based on e+(wildtype).. so that leaves what? Sex linked Barring as autosexing? you dont need that, why? because you already have it on your birds...

again stay away from the white egg shell gene

hmm did not think of the white egg gene . I choose them because the roosters look about the same and hens close to. I wanted to see see if the chicks would look similar after a few generations.
I want to get these to breed true not just sexlinked.
topic for the other thread though. Thank you for the input

 

[nicalandia]

hmm did not think of the white egg gene . I choose them because the roosters look about the same and hens close to. I wanted to see see if the chicks would look similar after a few generations.
I want to get these to breed true not just sexlinked.
topic for the other thread though. Thank you for the input

Crele Penedesenca are just like Partridge Penedesenca but with sex linked barring(autosexing breed) they have different e locus than cream legbars(eb vs e+) they lay dark brown eggs that will be messed up by the white egg shell gene found on legbars..

here Legbar chicks..



Crele Penedesenca Chicks(boys on the left diluted color, hens on the right, dark colored with a headspot)





if you want more Crele Penedesenca its not too hard to set up a breeding program to do it..

 

[Hangtown Farms]

Crele Penedesenca are just like Partridge Penedesenca but with sex linked barring(autosexing breed) they have different e locus than cream legbars(eb vs e+) they lay dark brown eggs that will be messed up by the white egg shell gene found on legbars..

here Legbar chicks..



Crele Penedesenca Chicks(boys on the left diluted color, hens on the right, dark colored with a headspot)





if you want more Crele Penedesenca its not too hard to set up a breeding program to do it..

yes you can use partridge. it takes few generations but can be done to diversify the blood line.
I breed crele's here are some of my babies. male is in the front. hens behind him