Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[lonnyandrinda]

1. Origin: British
Yes
2. Classification: Light
Yes
3. Egg Color: Blue, Green or Olive
I agree with what was said earlier, blue or blue green, perhaps we could borrow the existing color card for Ameraucana eggs. Olive is out in my opinion.
Male

4. Carriage: Very sprightly and alert, with no suggestion of stiltiness.
Yes
5. Type: Body wedge shaped, wide at the shoulders and
narrowing slightly to root of tail.
Yes
6. Back long, flat and sloping slightly to the tail.
Yes
7. Breast prominent, and breast bone straight.
Yes
8. Wings large, carried tightly and well tucked up.
Yes
8. Tail moderately full at an angle of 45 degrees from the line of the back.
Yes
9. Head: Fine.
Yes
10. Beak stout, point clear of the front of the comb.
Yes
11. Eyes prominent.
Yes
12a. Comb single, perfectly straight and erect, large but not overgrown,
Yes
12b. deeply and evenly serrated (5 to 7 spikes broad at the base),
Yes
12c. extending well beyond back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head,
Yes
12d. free from ‘thumb marks’ or side spikes.
Yes
13. Face smooth.
Yes
14. Ear-lobes well developed, pendent, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.
Yes
15. Wattles long and thin.
Yes

This sounds like a great start!

 

[redchicken9]

Ok, I'm not promoting this is as an example of a fine cream legbar male. It is one of two that I have. I utilized as a baseline to consider the first 15 points. A yes means I understand the standard and think it works.

When you go through this, the goal is to confirm language and express an opinion. Indicate where you may or may not have knowledge.

1. Origin: British (yes)
2. Classification: Light (yes)

3. Egg Color: Blue, Green or Olive (Yes, however mine only produce blue eggs. Here I'd prefer shades of blue over shades of green or olive).

Male

4. Carriage: Very sprightly and alert, with no suggestion of stiltiness. (Yes, to the best of my knowledge I see sprightly and alert roos. If stiltiness is upright on stilts like contributed by Steen post 2561 The Legbar Thread, then CL do not appear stilty. If it means stiff, or walking on stilts or uneven gait, I still believe I don’t see this in my birds, nor would I choose to breed towards this look).

5. Type: Body wedge shaped, wide at the shoulders and
narrowing slightly to root of tail. (Yes)
6. Back long, flat and sloping slightly to the tail. (Yes) A more distant photo below shows this.
7. Breast prominent, and breast bone straight. (Could be, would like more information on this on prominent, looks straight)
8. Wings large, carried tightly and well tucked up. (wings not small, mostly see this position is there some way to determine well tucked up. If you see tips from below, is this off).
8. Tail moderately full at an angle of 45 degrees from the line of the back. (How is this judged? Looking over my male photos it seems more upright, couldn’t find one that suited this specification on internet. Is there a common US breed with a similar 45 degree tail to consider).

9. Head: Fine. (vs. blocky? Ok)
10. Beak stout, point clear of the front of the comb. (yes)
11. Eyes prominent. (yes)
12a. Comb single, perfectly straight and erect, large but not overgrown, (yes)
12b. deeply and evenly serrated (5 to 7 spikes broad at the base), (yes, mine could improve on even serration, but good standard)
12c. extending well beyond back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, (yes)
12d. free from ‘thumb marks’ or side spikes. (yes, have one off spike on mine, would like pictures on thumb marks or side spikes)
13. Face smooth. (yes)
14. Ear-lobes well developed, pendent, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape. (standard is good, not sure if there’s a fold in mine here)
15. Wattles long and thin. (yes)

 

[Dahlisgrams]

I would be happy to take over this part of the project and keep a running list of members/interested parties/contributors. Do you want to forward what has already been sent over to me or should everyone just resend to me?

Rinda

Thank you for the offer! I'll forward the information to you.

 

[redchicken9]

This sounds like a great start!

Thanks for doing this. Great sounds like you understand the wording of the UK standard and agree it's worth keeping for all lines, except for egg color (3). Out of curiosity are you able to show or lead me to a photo for point 8?

 

[normanack]

On 8. Wings large, carried tightly and well tucked up.

Pictures of CLs in general seem to show large wings.

Tough for me to tell if they're carried tightly, but I'm assuming they generally are.

Well tucked up: What, precisely, does this mean? Seems like CL wings seem to droop from front to back compared to the average chicken. Or is that not what "well tucked up" is referring to?

 

[fowlman01]

. Tail moderately full at an angle of 45 degrees from the line of the back. (How is this judged? Looking over my male photos it seems more upright, couldn’t find one that suited this specification on internet. Is there a common US breed with a similar 45 degree tail to consider)

Figures 10 -11 in the APA SOP shows how this is determined. Pg 139 of the 2010 SOP shows what 45 degrees looks like on the Sicilian Buttercup male. The picture of the male here shows a 90 degree tail, which is a DQ in every breed except the Japanese bantam.

Walt

 

[ChicKat]

This sounds like a great start!

X2

a good way to handle it...and to add/reinforce, if there are no olive cream legbar eggs in the USA - then this would be detrimental. Full agreement here.

 

[ChicKat]

. Tail moderately full at an angle of 45 degrees from the line of the back. (How is this judged? Looking over my male photos it seems more upright, couldn’t find one that suited this specification on internet. Is there a common US breed with a similar 45 degree tail to consider)

Figures 10 -11 in the APA SOP shows how this is determined. Pg 139 of the 2010 SOP shows what 45 degrees looks like on the Sicilian Buttercup male. The picture of the male here shows a 90 degree tail, which is a DQ in every breed except the Japanese bantam.

Walt

I think all my chickens, all my breeds have 90-degree tails, so that is something for me to work on in the future. The original pictures of the original cream legbars from Punnett are here for -- Walt please correct me if I got the verbage wrong by using the word 'type'. I think these 1940's images show what Punnett considered correct.

Figure 1 and Figure 2 are showing the 45-degrees I believe. Although my chickens do have different tail positions at different times depending on what they are doing, pecking, crowing, walking running etc.
http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jgenet/41/1.pdf

 

[redchicken9]

Dear Walt, ignorance will no longer be bliss for me!

Thanks for the tail information, I suspected as much as 90 degrees!

 

[redchicken9]

ChicKat, do you think you could post Ice and go through the first 1-15 lines. Anyone else available to comment on standards and what they say and how clear they are? All help, helps!