Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[babymakes6]

The males on that website look more silver to me than cream. I am just learning this breed, but that seems at odds with the color description.

Walt

I thought the same, but it could be the photos too.

It is an interesting site to read!

 

[fowlman01]

this was my boy that I lost this summer. If we could find a picture we could use it to create a linear template. I could cut out the silhouette and then place angle lines on it for a visual chart similar to the drawing I see on the Marans site. We could use the closest 'ideal' silhouette and to indicate slopes of back and stance even the triangular wedge body.

I can try to create some circular basic template for a logo that could be filled in with an image later.

Great idea. Generally you don't want to see a definite angle at the base of the tail, it should have a smooth transition. When the tail coverts are not adequate or the tail is too high, you see an angle. His color looks closer to the description of a male than the males on that web site.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I thought the same, but it could be the photos too.

It is an interesting site to read!

I allowed for color shifts etc that occur in the digital world, but our monitors are not that far off. You can enlarge it and you won't see any yellow/creme pixels.

Walt

 

[normanack]

I allowed for color shifts etc that occur in the digital world, but our monitors are not that far off. You can enlarge it and you won't see any yellow/creme pixels.

Walt

My suspicion -- not knowledge -- is that a whole lot of Cream Legbars, particularly the ones the British favor -- are silver.

 

[fowlman01]

My suspicion -- not knowledge -- is that a whole lot of Cream Legbars, particularly the ones the British favor -- are silver.

How do they justify the CL color Standard if the males don't match it?

Walt

 

[normanack]

How do they justify the CL color Standard if the males don't match it?

Walt

Keep in mind the only Cream Legbars I've actually seen in reality are my own three, hatched from purchased eggs. I just can't see what I consider "cream" in the pictures. Looks white to me.

 

[blackbirds13]

Great idea. Generally you don't want to see a definite angle at the base of the tail, it should have a smooth transition. When the tail coverts are not adequate or the tail is too high, you see an angle. His color looks closer to the description of a male than the males on that web site.

Walt

Thanks Walt. I was crushed when I lost him. I am going to have a lot of work ahead of me to recreate him (without his other flaws) but I have 6 boys I managed to hatch out that he sired so hopefully in a year or two...or three.... His color was really nice and I also thought closer to their SOP.

 

[nicalandia]

Here is the reply that I got back. I hope it will once and for all dispel all the fears that somehow we have inferior genetics in the USA.
Henk69 said:


"Well, he is pale enough to be cream. Of course he could be silver from his appearance.
The red shoulders are possible with the cream gene"

I think Mr. Henk forgot that the sex linked Barring gene will also dilute the roosters pheomelanin even further, so I would expect that homozygous Cream legbars will look almost silver looking, with the exception of the gold shoulders...

 

[fowlman01]

Thanks Walt. I was crushed when I lost him. I am going to have a lot of work ahead of me to recreate him (without his other flaws) but I have 6 boys I managed to hatch out that he sired so hopefully in a year or two...or three.... His color was really nice and I also thought closer to their SOP.

Your male was too dark, but he wasn't silver looking. The Marans folks had very similar challenges.

Walt

 

[redchicken9]

To finish out the male, here's lines 15-44. Once again, (yes) means understood, even if mine does not represent this.

What do your males look like? Does anyone have a male that meets the color of the cream legbar standard? ChicKat, Stoneunhenged, do you? Others? Please post your male and discuss it within the CL standards.
Here and in the UK, is there a cream color? Have "we" lost it? I've seen what I'd call white/silver. In places, such as the hackles and saddle, there is yellow (and rust) (what is the pale gold described below).

For comparison, Punnett describes his male as "barred all over, though the general effect is definitely lighter and softer than in a barred breed such as the Pymouth Rock. At the same time the pale gold of the hackles and the bright chestnut of the wing coverts lead to his presenting an appearance at once brilliant and quite unlike that of the male of any recognized breed."




16. Neck: Long and profusely covered with feathers. (yes)

17a. Legs and Feet: Legs moderately long. (yes)
17b.Shanks strong, round and free of feathers. (yes)
17c. Flat shins objectionable. (what does this mean?)
17d. Toes, four, long, straight and well spread. (yes)

18. Plumage: Of silky texture, free from coarse or excessive feather. (yes)

19. Handling: Firm with abundance of muscle. (yes)
20. Neck hackles cream, sparsely barred. (yes understood) (mine is not, I’d describe mine as peppered silver, yellow, and rust)
21. Saddle hackles cream, barred with dark grey, tipped with cream. (yes) (mine yellow and rust)
22. Back and shoulders cream with dark grey barring, some chestnut permissible. (yes) (high amount of chestnust/rust)
23. Wings, primaries dark grey, faintly barred, some white permissible; (yes) (see photo: no barring)
24. secondaries dark grey more clearly marked; (yes) (see photo: no marking)
25. coverts grey barred, tips cream, some chestnut smudges permissible. (yes)(see photo: very chestnut, tips without light color)




26. Breast evenly barred dark grey, well defined outline. (yes) (mine not well defined)
27. Tail evenly barred grey, sickles being paler, some white feather permissible. (yes)
28. Crest cream and grey, some chestnut permissible. (yes) (mine does not have much of a crest, yellow in it)
29. Beak yellow. (yes)
30. Eyes orange or red. (yes)
31. Comb, face, and wattles red. (yes)
32. Ear-lobes pure opaque, white or cream, slight pink markings not unduly to handicap an otherwise good male. (yes) (mine with red, already gave away one lighter male due to pure red ear-lobes)
33. Legs and feet yellow. (yes) (mine poor yellow)

34. Weights
Male 2.70-3.40kg (6-7lb) (yes) (assume mine is in this range)

35. Serious defects:
Male's comb twisted or falling over, (yes)
36. Ear-lobes wholly red. (yes)
37. Any white in face. (yes)
38. Legs other than orange, yellow or light willow. (yes)
39.Squirrel tail.(yes)

40. Disqualifications: Side sprigs on comb. (yes)
41. Eye pupil other than round and clearly defined. (yes)
42. Crooked breast. (yes)
43.Wry tail. (yes)
44. Any bodily deformity. (yes)