Same here-genetics are not something I understand at all. Thanks so much for your excellent tutorial!
Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection
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Same here-genetics are not something I understand at all. Thanks so much for your excellent tutorial!
Wow, so many posts over the last couple days! Looks like I'll have some catching up to do before work tomorrow. Keep it coming guys, this is great so far!
I just got Cream Legbar chicks from Greenfire, very excited to find this thread! don't know how much help I can be, but if nothing else, being able to share the information with people that buy eggs from me in the future will be helpful!
Congratulations on your new chicks! You will definitely love having them.
I coped this from that practical poulty site - This was described as being as colorful as you would want and the other as too pale. So the ideal would be somewhere in between. The pale one was described as throwing good girls - I would guess that had something to do with the IG gene but ???
and this is too colorful
and this is too colorful
I coped this from that practical poulty site - This was described as being as colorful as you would want and the other as too pale. So the ideal would be somewhere in between. The pale one was described as throwing good girls - I would guess that had something to do with the IG gene but ???
and this is too colorful
Looks like the silver one also has red earlobes.
They do seem to have some white and not completely red, but it's not "Ear lobes pure opaque, white or cream, slight pink markings not unduly to handicap an otherwise good male" that the SOP requires. His shoulders have the very barest of chestnut. He seems to be totally on the other side of the spectrum from what we have.
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Ok, now with the female cream legbar.
Female
45a. The general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences, (yes)
45b.except that the comb may be erect or falling gracefully over either side of the face without obstructing the eyesight, (yes) and
45c.the tail should be carried closely and not at such a high angle. (yes) (mine still on the high side)
46. Neck hackles cream, softly barred grey. (yes) (hackles here cream to gold to little depending on the pullet, barred black, ie. all of mine are dark)
47.Breast salmon, well defined in outline. (yes) (salmon says pink, mine says rust)
48. Body silver grey, with rather indistinct broad soft barring. (yes) (body charcoal or dark, perhaps indistinct barring)
49. Wings, primaries grey-peppered; (yes) (mine dark, very faint white edge to splashed white)
50. secondaries very faintly barred; (yes) (peppered rust or grey)
51. coverts silver grey. (yes) (Dark some faint barring, hint of rust)
52. Tail silver grey, faintly barred. (yes) (mine dark)
53. Crest cream and grey, some chestnut permissible. (yes) (not all have crest, mine dark or dark with barring or rust, although crest photos from juveniles)
54. Beak yellow. (yes)
55. Eyes orange or red. (yes)
56. Comb, face, and wattles red. (yes)
57. Ear-lobes pure opaque, white or cream, slight pink markings not unduly to handicap an otherwise good male. (added note, ie not acceptable for female) (yes)
58. Legs and feet yellow. (yes)
59. Weights Female 2-2.70kg (4-6lb) (yes) (assume so)
Female
45a. The general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences, (yes)
45b.except that the comb may be erect or falling gracefully over either side of the face without obstructing the eyesight, (yes) and
45c.the tail should be carried closely and not at such a high angle. (yes) (mine still on the high side)
46. Neck hackles cream, softly barred grey. (yes) (hackles here cream to gold to little depending on the pullet, barred black, ie. all of mine are dark)
47.Breast salmon, well defined in outline. (yes) (salmon says pink, mine says rust)
48. Body silver grey, with rather indistinct broad soft barring. (yes) (body charcoal or dark, perhaps indistinct barring)
49. Wings, primaries grey-peppered; (yes) (mine dark, very faint white edge to splashed white)
50. secondaries very faintly barred; (yes) (peppered rust or grey)
51. coverts silver grey. (yes) (Dark some faint barring, hint of rust)
52. Tail silver grey, faintly barred. (yes) (mine dark)
53. Crest cream and grey, some chestnut permissible. (yes) (not all have crest, mine dark or dark with barring or rust, although crest photos from juveniles)
54. Beak yellow. (yes)
55. Eyes orange or red. (yes)
56. Comb, face, and wattles red. (yes)
57. Ear-lobes pure opaque, white or cream, slight pink markings not unduly to handicap an otherwise good male. (added note, ie not acceptable for female) (yes)
58. Legs and feet yellow. (yes)
59. Weights Female 2-2.70kg (4-6lb) (yes) (assume so)
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Ok, I wish to be tactful.
In my novice opinion, my cream legbars do not meet BPS description. Although I am wishing to see more USA examples, what I see on Greenfire Farms, the parent stock, look remarkably similar to mine. Although, ChicKat's bird may have a lighter look, it is still flooded with autosomal red. If I understand Nicalandia, either closer to ideal males are needed or a several year process of cross-breeding of other stock is necessary to recover the proper base for cream to be placed on.
1). Knowing this, we can move to drafting the cream legbar from its original description into a form for consideration of APA. We can import or ask those who import professionally to move towards the correct ideal. Some may choose to complain about paying high prices for a bird that does not appear to be a cream legbar and may be years off-mark.
2). Then there is some portion within this forum that like the flamboyant feathering (as described on Greenfire Farms website). Admittedly even I like this look. This could be called the American red legbar as I don't see a lot of cream.
I'm OK with either, or other options, as the purpose and intent is to draft a standard. Perhaps, both should be written. Again all comments welcomed. Do you wish to retain and improve a heritage breed or do you wish to forge a new breed?
In my novice opinion, my cream legbars do not meet BPS description. Although I am wishing to see more USA examples, what I see on Greenfire Farms, the parent stock, look remarkably similar to mine. Although, ChicKat's bird may have a lighter look, it is still flooded with autosomal red. If I understand Nicalandia, either closer to ideal males are needed or a several year process of cross-breeding of other stock is necessary to recover the proper base for cream to be placed on.
1). Knowing this, we can move to drafting the cream legbar from its original description into a form for consideration of APA. We can import or ask those who import professionally to move towards the correct ideal. Some may choose to complain about paying high prices for a bird that does not appear to be a cream legbar and may be years off-mark.
2). Then there is some portion within this forum that like the flamboyant feathering (as described on Greenfire Farms website). Admittedly even I like this look. This could be called the American red legbar as I don't see a lot of cream.
I'm OK with either, or other options, as the purpose and intent is to draft a standard. Perhaps, both should be written. Again all comments welcomed. Do you wish to retain and improve a heritage breed or do you wish to forge a new breed?
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Dear Walt, ignorance will no longer be bliss for me!Thanks for the tail information, I suspected as much as 90 degrees!
Ameraucana standard is 45 degrees if you're looking for pictures to compare the angle too. Tail position is hard to assess in my opinion as they move it around depending on their activity and mood.
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