Cream Legbars

[nicalandia]

The larger has legs that I would call smutty


- is this something that will grow out? All the other chicks I have hatched have had bright yellow legs (as the other pullet chick does).


I guess you tend to look very closely at any potential flaws when you have fewer chicks

I wonder if some Cream Legbar carry id+ at the sex linked id locus. I have seen many females with very Dark/slate colored chick shank pigmentation. yet Barring turns them into yellow shanks when adults...


check this white cream legbar female chick´s shank color

 

[ChicKat]

Here are the two pullets just hatched out. Notice the one on the right does have a tiny yellow streak on her head.




The larger has legs that I would call smutty


- is this something that will grow out? All the other chicks I have hatched have had bright yellow legs (as the other pullet chick does).


I guess you tend to look very closely at any potential flaws when you have fewer chicks

Cute chickies, thanks for posting. I believe they will grow into yellow legs. A lot of 'flaws' get grown out of. Even the cockerel here with floppy comb...is getting straighter and straighter.

 

[GaryDean26]

My not-yet-laying CL pullets have crests that range from sparse to lush, black to gold.
Has anyone seen a correlation to eggshell color? Preferably to blue eggshells...

I don't know of any linkage between the shade of blue/green of the egg. To selectivly breed for a certain shade of blue/green I would recommend tracting which eggs are comming from which hen. Especially those early pullet eggs before the brown egg genes fades. You also might track the offspring on you rooster to track what % are the color you are looking for.

As far as the crest color...I would say to deffinatly keep the gold color over the black color. I have one cream colored hen that started out with a black crest, but after her first winter moult it now showing mostly cream. All of my pullets are showing black crests, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that some gold or cream crests come out of the lines int he future.

 

[KPenley]

I don't know of any linkage between the shade of blue/green of the egg. To selectivly breed for a certain shade of blue/green I would recommend tracting which eggs are comming from which hen. Especially those early pullet eggs before the brown egg genes fades. You also might track the offspring on you rooster to track what % are the color you are looking for.

As far as the crest color...I would say to deffinatly keep the gold color over the black color. I have one cream colored hen that started out with a black crest, but after her first winter moult it now showing mostly cream. All of my pullets are showing black crests, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that some gold or cream crests come out of the lines int he future.

I guess this is why Walt wants us to wait to choose breeders until they're older and the bird's true colors grow in? Makes more sense to me now.

 

[sol2go]

GaryDean26 - thanks for the crest info. Besides selecting for the blue eggshell, now that I've seen GFF 2013 breeders, I really want a speckled crest! Although the dark black ones look pretty - like a Russian fur hat =) Your information/experience makes the whole molting process a little more interesting, and gave me some tips for eggshell selection.

 

[1muttsfan]

I think some of you have been to this website, I came across it while looking at Cream genetics.

https://sites.google.com/site/creamlegbarsonline/gallery

I wonder if we should not consider the legbars here to be more Gold Legbars rather than Cream? All things being equal in terms of egg production and type, could these two not be considered separate varieties? Obviously many of the birds seen here are gold instead of cream in the hackles. While not correct for Cream, I actually quite like the gold colored birds.

 

[dretd]

I think some of you have been to this website, I came across it while looking at Cream genetics.

https://sites.google.com/site/creamlegbarsonline/gallery

I wonder if we should not consider the legbars here to be more Gold Legbars rather than Cream? All things being equal in terms of egg production and type, could these two not be considered separate varieties? Obviously many of the birds seen here are gold instead of cream in the hackles. While not correct for Cream, I actually quite like the gold colored birds.

Gold Legbars were used in the development of the Cream Legbar. They took the Gold Legbar males and bred them first back to Leghorns then to the Araucana's from Chili (not to be confused with Araucana breed of today): http://blue-eggs.co.uk/#/legbar-history/4554275782 : " trying to improve the productivity of the Gold Legbar by crossing it with high laying White Leghorn. From this crossing there were two off-white pullets. These were kept and bred back to a Gold Legbar male. This mating produced a cockerel which fathered cream coloured chicks where the male and female chicks had noticeably different down colour. These were bred to the line of blue laying hens that Professor Punnett's experimental matings had produced, and in time a crested, blue egg laying, autosexing breed was selected out and named the Crested Cream Legbar - the crest being a the tuft of feathers on the crest of the head behind the comb a feature derived from the South American blood."

So in my view, the Gold Legbar is the grandfather to the Cream Legbar. Poorly colored 'throwback' Cream Legbars should be culled if we are to focus on breeding to the intended standard. Unlike Gold Legbars, Cream Legbars have blue eggs and (typically) a crest and really should have 2 copies of the cream gene. They do not meet the breed standard for the Gold Legbar because of the egg color and crest.

 

[KPenley]

On the note of Gold Legbars...if you like Gold Legbar coloring better: Mate your colorful Roosters to Danish or Light Brown Leghorn Hens. Cull crested birds. Mate F1 Roos and Hens, and cull resulting F2 blue egg laying and crested birds, and soon enough you'll be back to the Gold Legbar.

 

[1muttsfan]

Since many breeds have multiple color varieties, a gold variety of the Cream Legbar that otherwise fulfills the breed standard and lays blue eggs would certainly be possible - even if we have to call it something other than Gold Legbar

 

[normanack]

Since many breeds have multiple color varieties, a gold variety of the Cream Legbar that otherwise fulfills the breed standard and lays blue eggs would certainly be possible - even if we have to call it something other than Gold Legbar

I really love the name Muttbar but perhaps this wouldn't be the appropriate variation to use it on. . . . ;-)