Cream Legbars

[GaryDean26]

Did you ever find a definite correlation between the younger Roo with older Hen pairings?

Yes...that was one of the theories listed in one of the old reference books but I think it was the Aristotle method of reasons and not the Galileo (i.e. a possible explination, but not testing to ever proove it out). If there was any hard data on any of this stuff I think the hatcheries would be using them. I guess all we can say is keep hatch records and if you find any corrolation let the rest of us test them out too.

Fire away. Please let me know what you think.

Hatch a lot from them. They aren't there yet, but look better than what I started with (and some of what I still am working with) and show the potential to produce some good offspring.

 

[robnorman24]

Thanks Curtis i know you have seen these before.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

I agree keep working on them. They aren't fantastic, but I wouldn't call them junk, either. Breed a lot, pick the best to move forward with, and you will make progress.

 

[CibolaChooks]

The three amigos.

 

[CibolaChooks]

 

[1muttsfan]

I wish I was seeing nice strait combs like that, none of the cockerels I have hatched so far have what I would consider acceptable combs, although type wise they have not been bad.

 

[CibolaChooks]

I wish I was seeing nice strait combs like that, none of the cockerels I have hatched so far have what I would consider acceptable combs, although type wise they have not been bad.

so far so good. my fingers will stay crossed for a cpl more months. He is the oldest of my babies at 5 weeks old. My original roosters have high tails and this lil guys has a nice perfect tail angle when he decides to show it. The reason im keeping my fingers crossed is i hate to see a fixed tail and think im moving forward in my next generation just to have something else go wrong.

I have a red pyle EE The dad was amazing, Perfect some would say for a red pyle Ameraucana Except he had yellow legs. I breed him to some red pyle pullets and got a son from him once again Perfect for red pyle Ameraucana now with nice slate legs, Except his comb popped up mixed . Its very deflating to move forward just to have another trait go backwards.

I really hope everyone makes the strides forward this year we are all looking for in improving our birds. .

 

[GaryDean26]

Yep..I was thinking the same thing a 1muttsfan. Great comb. I also don't see a ton of chesnut on the body like some young cockerels show.

 

[grannychicken54]

It's really hard to tell until they grow out a little more. But we'd be glad to give you pointers if you will post some pictures!

Hope this isn't an information overload:

About now you should be able to start seeing if the girls have cream hackles or gold hackles (cream are correct). Crests seem to be fairly easy to breed back in so hang on to all the girls, even the one that doesn't have a crest yet. It may still grow in, too. Look for nice yellow legs and feet, and you want a male with a more erect straight comb (it will be several months before you know the full outcome of this feature). Tail angle about 45 degrees for the male and about 35 degrees for the female. Body shape is very important, too. Take a look at the club logo for an idea. It's not perfect but it gives you a good idea.



You can find lots of info and pictures on the SOP discussion thread and I will copy and paste the proposed SOP for the US (As of March 8, 2013):

SHAPE -- MALE​

Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, straight and upright, deeply and evenly serrated with six distinct points, extending well over the back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, free from side spikes, thumb-marks or twists.

Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved.

Face: Smooth, skin fine in texture.

Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance.

Wattles: Moderately long, thin, uniform in size, well rounded, free from folds or wrinkles. Skin soft.

Ear-lobes: Large, elongated oval, pendant, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.

Crest: Small, well back from the eyes with narrow feathers falling off the back of the head to below the blade of the comb.

Head: Medium size, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.

Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.

Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, narrowing slightly toward the tail, long in length, flat, sloping slightly to the tail.

Saddle feathers—Abundant, long, and filling well in front of the tail.

Tail: Moderately full, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Sickles—long and well curved.
Lesser Sickles and Coverts—long, of good width, nicely curved and abundant.

Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping.

Breast: Prominent, well-rounded, carried forward and upright.

Body and Fluff: Body moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel is of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers moderately long and close to the body.
Fluff—medium in length, moderately full.

Legs and Toes: Legs moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs are medium length.
Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers.
Toes—four, long, straight, and well-spread.

SHAPE -- FEMALE​

Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, erect or first point to stand erect and the remainder of the comb dropping gracefully to the side without obscuring the eyes, deeply and evenly serrated having six distinct points.

Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved.

Face: Smooth, skin fine in texture.

Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance.

Wattles: Medium in length, thin, uniform in size, well-rounded, free from folds or wrinkles. Skin soft.

Ear-lobes: Medium, elongated oval, pendant, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.

Crest: Medium, affixed at the forefront of the skull on both sides of the base of the comb and running length of comb. Rising well in front so as not to obstruct the eyes, with feathers narrow and falling off the back of the head to below the blade of the comb.

Head: Medium size, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.

Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.

Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, long, with an even slope to the tail. Feathers moderately broad and of sufficient length to carry well up to tail.

Tail: Moderately long, carried at an angle of thirty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Coverts—broad and abundant, extending well onto main tail.

Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping.

Breast: Prominent, well-rounded, carried forward and upright.

Body and Fluff: Body moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel is of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers moderately long and close to the body.
Fluff—medium in length, moderately full.

Legs and Toes: Legs moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs are medium length. Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers.
Toes—four, long, straight, and well-spread.

COLOR -- MALE​

Comb, Face and Wattles: Bright Red.

Beak: Yellow.

Eyes: Reddish bay.

Ear-lobes: Enamel white.

Head: Plumage, cream and gray.

Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.

Neck: Hackle—cream, sparsely barred with gray.
Shoulder—cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible.
Front of neck—same as breast.

Wings: Fronts and Bows—dark gray, faintly barred, some chestnut permissible.
Coverts—gray, barred, tipped in cream.
Primaries—dark gray, faintly barred, some white permissible.
Secondaries—dark gray, more clearly barred.

Back: Cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible.
Saddle—cream, barred with dark gray, edged in cream.

Tail: Main Tail—gray, evenly barred.
Sickle and Coverts—light gray, barred, some white feathers permissible.

Breast: Dark gray, evenly barred, well defined outline.

Body and Fluff: Silver-gray, indistinctly barred.

Legs and Toes: Yellow.

Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.

COLOR -- FEMALE
​

Comb, Face, and Wattles: Bright red.

Beak: Yellow.

Eyes: Reddish bay.

Ear-lobes: Enamel white.

Head: Plumage, cream and gray.

Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, softly barred gray.
Front of neck—salmon.

Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Primaries—gray, peppered.
Secondaries—gray, very faintly barred.

Back: Gray, softly barred.

Tail: Main Tail and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.

Breast: Salmon, well defined in outline.

Body and Fluff: Silver-gray, indistinctly barred.

Legs and Toes: Yellow.

Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.

Thanks for the advice I will post some pictures this evening and then maby you can tell what their good points are and what their bad points are I want to get it right thanks

 

[grannychicken54]

Welcome to Cream Legbars! The best points??? Autosexing, Blue Egg Laying, Crested and Cream! It seems like most people want them for the ability to tell the girls from the boys at hatch, and the blue eggs (vary from mint green to sky blue depending on parentage, feed, and time of laying season). We have release our first draft of the American proposed SOP. The completed one will not be available until our application goes in to the APA in about 4 years. Here is the thread where we presented the first draft (#1040). Have you joined the club yet? It's free for associate members (newsletters, name and city in membership list if desired, and Clubhouse participation) and $12/yr for Full members (associate benefits plus: voting, full detail listing available in the membership list, can run for leadership offices).
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/713115/cream-legbar-working-group-standard-of-perfection/1030

Update: Thanks Rinda!

Thanks for the reply yes I have joined the club and will be trying to learn all I can thank you