Cream Legbars

[nicalandia]

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The confusion I have seen is people incorrectly attributing chestnut color from autosomal red enhancements to a lack or cream plumage, people incorrectly attributing single barred cockerels to lacking cream plumage or to being red enhanced, people incorrectly attributing a cockerel with dark barring on the neck and back to be lacking cream or to single barring, etc. Hopefully this will help you see what is causing your cockerel to look the way he does and help you in your selection in color

I have explained this issue a few times here.. let me re-post what I post back then..

let see how a gold duckwing or a light brown bird transitions to double barred status and its change on color intensity

normal gold duckwing without red enhancers





single barred Crele(only one copy, most crele breeds out there show this type of single barred males as they show more color than the pale diluted double barres) henks birds



now to the homozygous barred(double barred) male, henks bird, father of above birds

on Cream birds this type of change will be more drastics, these are Henks birds and confirmed not to have cream, no on red enhanced cream birds the change should not be so drastic

here is a Single Barred Legbar Male

 

[sol2go]

I am not sure I have full grasp of what was posted above but I think that UK cockerel would be considered a match and he shows some chestnut "autosomal red enhancements". Please someone correct me if I am wrong...

Yes, he is a good match between hackles and saddle, as well as exhibiting smudges of chestnut, and deserved his title

For the next generation I would match him with a clearly barred hen to help bring even more gray barring into the saddle. And put some meat on their bones

P.S. Thank you chickin pickin for copying the article!

both comments match what I was thinking, including "good on ya" to chickin pickin for knowing whats at the club site!
That is a very thoughtful article (thanks Curtis).

The Male on the Front is Clearly Single Barred, only single barred males produce this type of Dark Tails and breasts.. so he is indeed a cross, but to what? his size does not seem to different. what other breed is similar on size, is wildtype and produces brown eggs? maybe penedesencas?

Probably not Crele Penedesencas, they look a lot like a Gold Legbar.
Not sure where my OE rooster pics are, but I had several Cream Legbar xCrele Penedesenca mixed Roos, and they seemed to have plenty of barring (double?).
From the information posted, I'm not sure if we know what color eggshell gene he would carry?



Best wishes to KPenley and anyone else from the Cream Legbar club at the APA National Show in Knoxville this weekend!

 

[sol2go]

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I have explained this issue a few times here.. let me re-post what I post back then..



Quote: Hi Nicalandia,

if I am following along correctly, the above rooster is not cream?
But he is gold based? Would you say he has gold barring on his secondaries/wing bay?
What contributes to the "creamy" colored hackle and saddle feathers?

 

[badflash]

You guys are way too technical for me to follow at this point in my education on chickens. Had some college biology, but genetics was a very new science back in the 70's. Is there something I can read to get me up to speed quickly if I work at it?

I don't know if this helps any, but the brown eggs are brown right through. My leghorns have brown eggs that are white on the inside.

One breeder says she only keeps cream legbars, the other I know keeps several breeds, so I will try to get a list of likely crossings.

 

[badflash]

The breeder also keeps Ameraucanas and Marans.

 

[badflash]

She also has Welsummers

 

[nicalandia]

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thats correct is is just a gold base e+/e+ B/B male, not red enhanced, the reason he looks like that its because of the full power of doulbe barring on a not red enhanced bird.. if you add cream to that type of genotype you would end up with a near Silver or silver looking male, like some Cream Legbar males look like

 

[nicalandia]

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none of this breeds would produce the single barred male you see there, he looks like a legbar without a barring as far as size goes, the Ameraucana cross would produce pea combs and different type, the Maran will produce larger males with Crowings(birchen based ER/e+) and Welsumers would produce larger birds over all.. I think this line has been in heterozygous form form before your breeder received them..

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

Quote: Well that is interesting to me! So what is the tell that he isn't cream? Is it the wing bay?

 

[badflash]

I just found a post by Pixel
http://forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7967614&start=15
Looks like my bird and the breeder keeps welsummers. I got a mutt Ameraucana from her last year, so if you think that is what I have, the mystery is solved.