Cream Legbars

[Rod-T]

I saw the eBay ad too for cream legbar hatching eggs advertising Canadian line..
I guess it possible that they smuggled some across the border?
Who knows?
With only a few groups been legal imported,I'm sure genitic diversity is on everyone's mind. Maybe they think by advertising Canadian line is a great way to sell .
I hope someone imports more of these to share.

 

[MeepBeep]

The problem I have with anyone advertising 'Canadian Line' is that it's really not quantitative in itself...

If you Google around there are several 'Canadian' breeders that clearly state their CCL originate from GFF lines and were imported into Canada from the US... So it's obvious that many of the 'Canadian' bred CCL are from the same GFF origins...

That is why I was curious if anyone knew of a paperwork trail showing legit (or even black market) imports of CCL into Canada from Europe to support the different blood line claims...

 

[Rod-T]

The ebay ad states no gff bloodlines
I sent a message asking where there bloodlines trace back too

 

[ChicKat]

Rod-T and MeepBeep

It will be interesting if you get to the bottom if it. Seems with a bit of research I found that ground transport of poultry between the USA and Canada is not something that the Ag Department quarantines. -- so it would be pretty much the same (from what I could discern, someone with more info - Please jump in a correct me if I am wrong) so pretty much the same as USA interstate/intrastate--- The USA - Canada boarder for chickens is no-big deal.

:O)

 

[MeepBeep]

Rod-T and MeepBeep

It will be interesting if you get to the bottom if it.

I'm not holding my breath on getting any info from the guy I purchase from, he skirts around any question when I ask about their lineage and origins, all the while he continues to be adamant that they are not connected to GFF lines...

At this point I'm going to have to assume that he is either being deceptive and tight lipped on purpose as a sales gimmick or that he was sold a line from his source a line that he believes is factual without any valid backing... Or he could just be clueless...

Either way the price I paid for the eggs was low enough that it was worth rolling the dice...

 

[ChicKat]

I'm not holding my breath on getting any info from the guy I purchase from, he skirts around any question when I ask about their lineage and origins, all the while he continues to be adamant that they are not connected to GFF lines...

At this point I'm going to have to assume that he is either being deceptive and tight lipped on purpose as a sales gimmick or that he was sold a line from his source a line that he believes is factual without any valid backing... Or he could just be clueless...

Either way the price I paid for the eggs was low enough that it was worth rolling the dice...

Good Luck with your hatch --

 

[Rod-T]

He replied. . Said it was a gift from a friend several years ago.
Seems a little odd. Wouldn't disclose any more the that.said it was prudent to question the lineage.

 

[Exotica]

He replied. . Said it was a gift from a friend several years ago.
Seems a little odd. Wouldn't disclose any more the that.said it was prudent to question the lineage.

I had a guy that did the same thing to me! My first Cream Legbar chick (who is recovering from my mom letting my Papillon out - that's another story altogether though)
was bought from a man that had an operation going that wasn't large enough to be called a hatchery but not small enough to be called a breeder.
After I had bought the chick, I asked him the day after about where he got his Cream Legbar stock from and he also skirted around the question and just started acting suspect.

Such a simple question doesn't require someone to act like that! It's not like I was asking for his social security or something!

In the end, he said "Lineage isn't even important (then i blanked out a bit after he said that in awe) blah blah blah.. but I got it from a man that has his stock for 30 years in San Diego before he sold them to me." With that he said he was busy and never picked up my calls again.
I went on here only to find out that he completely lied since the only one person had the breed in the US 30 years ago and his birds turned out to be hatchery birds.

Not that it matters since they are just pets to me anyhow.. but some people are just so insincere!

 

[Rod-T]

I would think most breeders would keep records.
Most breeders would be proud to show the records off too.
Along with any show awards there line been apart of.
Gff does.. there proud of there Rees line. And the make a point highlighting her awards and they came from her show stock.
I think I'll hold off getting any for now.

 

[ChicKat]

Thoughts for Ashley and Rod-T,

Perhaps the guy who said "Lineage isn't important" -- was thinking of that one minute in the Poultry Show/Exhibition that the judge spends with one particular bird-in-hand to do the judging. The judge is astute and thorough and evaluates the chicken he/she is holding ..... So in that moment Lineage isn't important. The only thing that is important is results, that chicken in that moment.

On the other-hand I agree with what Rod-T said, that a breeder would know the background of their chickens. (even though chickens are not supposed to have pedigrees, there are some true breeders that really do know their chicken's pedigrees.... and there are people who call themselves breeders just because they incubate chicken eggs. )

Can one bad iffy apple spoil the whole bunch? I guess so - if this person has deterred Rod-T from acquiring the breed.

We know for certain that the CL was only successfully and legally (according to USDA records) imported to the USA by GFF. We also know now that the people in the UK did a lot of outcrossing to 'improve' the breed, and some of those that did, failed to do a good job in 1.outcrossing in a way that didn't mess up auotsexing 2. outcrossing in a way that didn't mess up blue eggs - Conversely we know that when Applegarth got CLs in the late 80's they required outcrossing for survival.

From what I know Canadian poultry/eggs are not restricted if they travel by road...so there could be a legal successful Canadian strain here.

Why people would/are secretive and not up front -- ?? Baffles me -- but people who raise livestock do think in magical terms sometimes -- and don't want to share their trade secrets. Or other times they will share them and your mind boggles. We encountered that in the cattle business. I have one for my chickens 'no chlorinated water' -- Certainly not harmful, they were raised on well water and once I moved here and have city water--- I let it sit just as you do for a fish tank so the chlorine can dissipate -- No science behind it, no studies etc. Just thinking that the gut flaura and fauna would do better without chlorine. So maybe these 'magical' formula are their trade secret and there is really nothing underhanded there -- they just think it is what makes their chickens 'better' than everyone elses. Dunno -- What do you think?