Cream Legbars

[Rod-T]

Has anybody tried to recreate them?
I would think they were made once.. so they could again.

 

[MeepBeep]

Has anybody tried to recreate them?
I would think they were made once.. so they could again.

Yes, there have been some people that have set out to recreate them, but the GFF imports really put a damper on those projects...

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/509483/cream-legbars/4350#post_13489850
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/509483/cream-legbars/9020#post_16019693

 

[Rod-T]

Yes, there have been some people that have set out to recreate them, but the GFF imports really put a damper on those projects...

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/509483/cream-legbars/4350#post_13489850
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/509483/cream-legbars/9020#post_16019693

Thanks that interesting. . So out of 11 birds we have breeders all over the country now.. since there so popular I would think that project should be resumed. .for new genetics? I'm sure they got the gold bars still to work with. ..maybe ggf will Import more

 

[Rod-T]

Every week it seems there's more cream legbars on craigslist. . I'm sure it's same way in every city in America. . Seems like the all this breeders are breeding from same birds. I could be wrong..but seems new genes are needed by now

 

[MeepBeep]

since there so popular I would think that project should be resumed. .for new genetics?

There is a return on investment to consider... Creating from scratch is a long, long project, and you never know if you will even get there and produce a decent line to recoup your cost and time, it could be a total bust after 10 years or more of work... Basically it's big even huge risk unless you are just doing it for yourself with no expectations... All the while there is the threat looming over your project that someone will plop down the money and import some more birds before you complete your project, that will likely make you ask yourself why you are trying to create from scratch when you could just import or buy an import...

I suspect that GFF is likely considering doing a new import soon, I know if I was them I would be... I'm sure the Rees line sells pretty well for them, but the market is becoming flooded with other people selling Rees' birds now and price is dropping, they no longer really have the advantage and draw they have with fresh imports, and since that is their business it makes sense to import again...

 

[PDPercherons]

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What if we didn't have the JR lines?  That was my point the other day.

I think if we didn't have it we'd be generations behind on our quest for color, or less of it. I like both gold and cream birds, but I have 6 JR line chicks upstairs right now. In the incubator I have more straight Rees line eggs from a different breeder. Also eggs of a Rees line rooster over line C hens. Line breeding and inbreeding has it's place in chickens, I'm just looking generations down the road and will be happy to have new genetics to bring in fresh blood. Granted it may be at the sacrifice of some quality at that point, who knows, but trust me I too want good egg production.

 

[Red Banks]

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I think if we didn't have it we'd be generations behind on our quest for color, or less of it. I like both gold and cream birds, but I have 6 JR line chicks upstairs right now. In the incubator I have more straight Rees line eggs from a different breeder. Also eggs of a Rees line rooster over line C hens. Line breeding and inbreeding has it's place in chickens, I'm just looking generations down the road and will be happy to have new genetics to bring in fresh blood. Granted it may be at the sacrifice of some quality at that point, who knows, but trust me I too want good egg production.

Yes....

 

[Rod-T]

There is a return on investment to consider... Creating from scratch is a long, long project, and you never know if you will even get there and produce a decent line to recoup your cost and time, it could be a total bust after 10 years or more of work... Basically it's big even huge risk unless you are just doing it for yourself with no expectations... All the while there is the threat looming over your project that someone will plop down the money and import some more birds before you complete your project, that will likely make you ask yourself why you are trying to create from scratch when you could just import or buy an import...

I suspect that GFF is likely considering doing a new import soon, I know if I was them I would be... I'm sure the Rees line sells pretty well for them, but the market is becoming flooded with other people selling Rees' birds now and price is dropping, they no longer really have the advantage and draw they have with fresh imports, and since that is their business it makes sense to import again...

I bet those people that abandoned the project because of those imports. Likely are wishing they didnt.. if that recreation got done by now. .of course they didn't know they'd be this popular. .but. It would be worth something today. I guess if they were successful. .

 

[MeepBeep]

I bet those people that abandoned the project because of those imports. Likely are wishing they didnt.. if that recreation got done by now. .of course they didn't know they'd be this popular. .but. It would be worth something today. I guess if they were successful. .

Gary is still an active member here so he can answer it directly as well... But, as he stated in one of the threads I linked to, he suspected the GFF imports saved him 5 years of work and allowed him to focus on improving the imported lines to match what he wanted... Yes, this doesn't broaden the gene pool as much as a newly created line would but it still has it's benefits and is undoubtedly a shortcut to getting nice US lines created...

Also even if they had kept up with the project they would not be that far along as it's only been a few years... There is no guarantee that any newly created line would be desirable or have desirable traits anytime soon...

 

[chicken pickin]

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I think if we didn't have it we'd be generations behind on our quest for color, or less of it. I like both gold and cream birds, but I have 6 JR line chicks upstairs right now. In the incubator I have more straight Rees line eggs from a different breeder. Also eggs of a Rees line rooster over line C hens. Line breeding and inbreeding has it's place in chickens, I'm just looking generations down the road and will be happy to have new genetics to bring in fresh blood. Granted it may be at the sacrifice of some quality at that point, who knows, but trust me I too want good egg production.

I don't think we would be generations behind on color at all. Unfortunately color is a topic that comes up all too often and many people don't know what Cream should actually look like so a lot of confusion comes into play. Color has been discussed over and over again on these threads through out the years. Of course we all know color doesn't make the whole bird, type does and should be the main focus in terms of the "look" of the bird.

I am one that feels the Rees line is a small set back. The CL from the older lines from people that have been working on their flocks for a few years have done very well to get nicely cream birds that aren't gold and aren't white. For me personally in my own experience with the Rees line, the males of this line are too mono tone making the coloring appear WAY off, and to me, not correct (no I am not one that prefers the more colorful side). The Rees males are too washed out and not showing cream in the manor they should, many Rees males also have very poor barring. I also am not a fan of the type from many Rees males I have seen. Of course this is my opinion. Im not purposefully trying to sound like I am bashing this line, I do have CL from the Rees line and love them. The females are very nice looking over all and my Rees male while I find him to be a poor example of the breed he is the best flock cock bird ever. I do think they have nice qualities to breed with the other lines to help on some traits such as vigor and Im sure other things as well depending upon your specific flock.

My opinion is that the Lines A, B and C had some better type showing up and better cream color, even though they did carry gold, they also carried cream and it just takes proper pairing to quickly eliminated the gold from your flock to get an all cream flock.

I cant stress enough this is just my opinion.