Cream Legbars

[sol2go]

So I have seen lots of pictures of Cream Legbar Roos and many of them are all black and white barred with little other colors or they are much more colorful with light tan in the wings and breast. A little tan in the hackle and saddle feathers also.

Which is more true of the standard?

I know you want yellow legs, all white earlobs and prefer a comb not falling over but not as large of a deal.

Also I know I dont understand tail angle real well.


My main question though is the color.

thoughts?

Hi, thanks for posting and asking about the standard criteria for the Cream Legbar.
If you look through this thread you may find posts from @KPenley and @GaryDean26 helpful with regards to color and body shapes, especially tail angles.
This is also covered at some length at the Cream Legbar Club website, which is open to all.

I also have pics from my stock if that would be helpful.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Wanted to share a cute baby pic of all the CL chicks in my Easter hatch:



They were from a single pairing of Dumbledore after his recovery from the dog attack (aka Captain America superhero protector-of-hens and regrower-of-tail-feathers) and my hen Clarissa Theresa Philomena Aileen Mary Josephine Agnes Elsie Trilby Louise Esmerelda Dickson Wright (aka Lissa). She is the only Marek's resistant one (at least so far), who also had great auto sexing as a baby and has pretty good coloring - I need her babies for future pure CLs in my flock, don't want Paula (died of Marek's) or Jenny (alive with ocular Marek's) as parents in the pure CL group as I must breed for resistance - their babies (earlier hatch) will be part of the Naked Neck CL hybrid program instead. Dumbledore appears Mareks resistant so far.

So, I will have only two parents for my backyard bloodline. I'm not a breeder and not selling, but interested in keeping the breed in as good shape as I can in my yard. I understand that I should breed son to mother and daughter to father (and not breed siblings). Any other tips?

- Ant Farm

 

[ChicKat]

Hi Ant Farm,

Nice picture!!

Love your names too!

 

[GaryDean26]

So I have seen lots of pictures of Cream Legbar Roos and many of them are all black and white barred with little other colors or they are much more colorful with light tan in the wings and breast. A little tan in the hackle and saddle feathers also.

Which is more true of the standard?

I know you want yellow legs, all white earlobs and prefer a comb not falling over but not as large of a deal.

Also I know I dont understand tail angle real well.


My main question though is the color.

thoughts?

There is a full member of the Cream Legbar Club in Austrelia that got permission to post information that was discussed at a quarterly club meeting on a website that was set up over there to educate the public on the breed. The website is HERE. It has the written standard side-by-side with photos of Cream Legbars owned and shared by club members.

Read the standard and compare the photos to see which line up the best. These are photos of real birds, NOT examples of what the ideal is. They were shared for discussion only. My mentor in the UK had been breeding them Cream Legbar for 6 years when I started with the Breed. She had read the standard dozens of times, but told me that every year she would pull out the standard and read it with her birds in front of her and that even though she pretty much had it memorized that every year she would find new area where here birds were not as close to the standard and she had thought previously. To understand a standard you have to read it over and and over again comparing it to the examples before you.

As far as tail angles go...check out the CSU - Chicken State University Thread. Tail angles were discussed there.

 

[duluthralphie]

Until there is an actual adopted SOP for CLB"S it is all a guess. You have to look at what is proposed and what is generally accepted and go from there. IMHO.

Just because a bunch of Cream legbar owners want a certain SOP does not mean the APA will adopt it as written.

That said I try to keep and breed birds with a good tail angle and I would like to keep the lighter colored rooster. Look for good toes and feet. Combs and crests, etc.


And of course I try to get as many White sports as I can, however, I only get one in every 25 eggs or so. I am trying to isolate the pair that gives me them.

 

[Aozora]

I just hatched out 10 CCL chicks, and 9 of them were really clear on sex right out of the egg. I have a question about one chick, though, so I wanted to ask the experts. I took a few pictures of the chick in question with my lightest marked pullet and my darkest marked cockerel. In the first picture, it looks like a pullet, but in the next picture you can see the chipmunk stripe is broken and it's lacking eye stripes.

Also, how do you like the fluff crest on the pullet? They're adorable, and far more active than my black copper maran chicks hatched a few days earlier. If I pick up a BCM chick, it will snuggle into my hand and fall asleep. If I pick up a CCL chick, it gets noisy and won't settle down.

 

[rottlady]

THESE are the 2 hen photos I saw online that made me want the breed. Will I actually have a chick that looks like one of these (particularly their crest) maybe not but it is my hope. I REALLY dislike the less full crests (and I know many people like less crest)

My current 4 chicks are from the farm the dark hen comes from (yes I know she is too dark)

 

[caychris]

Until there is an actual adopted SOP for CLB"S it is all a guess. You have to look at what is proposed and what is generally accepted and go from there. IMHO.

Just because a bunch of Cream legbar owners want a certain SOP does not mean the APA will adopt it as written.

That said I try to keep and breed birds with a good tail angle and I would like to keep the lighter colored rooster. Look for good toes and feet. Combs and crests, etc.


And of course I try to get as many White sports as I can, however, I only get one in every 25 eggs or so. I am trying to isolate the pair that gives me them.

Based on what I understand of the genetics for white sports in barred birds this is just a numbers game really and is probably higher in this breed because of the many genetic possiblities within this breed. So Im thinking that it isnt just a single pairing that is responsible for the higher numbers. It may be something we all might struggle with as we strive to hit certain traits. Id be interested to know if you are having more skewed results than would be normal. I know for example that Kathyinmo's recreated delawares appeared to have a similar sport ratio in the F1 cross. Since the white sports would be harder to autosex, i would think, then it may be that the numbers of white sports being mistaken or handled as males in this breed might result in them being under reported.

Id be intersted to know how often other barred breeds throw these white sports as it has been reported in many of them.

 

[Tulula81]

Hi Everyone! First time CCL owner. Initially got one and am now planning to add 2 more! Here are pics of Tater Tot, my CCL girl. She's 2.5 months old today and she and my Marsh Daisy are quite the trouble-making duo! Thoughts on her coloring?

 

[duluthralphie]

Based on what I understand of the genetics for white sports in barred birds this is just a numbers game really and is probably higher in this breed because of the many genetic possiblities within this breed. So Im thinking that it isnt just a single pairing that is responsible for the higher numbers. It may be something we all might struggle with as we strive to hit certain traits. Id be interested to know if you are having more skewed results than would be normal. I know for example that Kathyinmo's recreated delawares appeared to have a similar sport ratio in the F1 cross. Since the white sports would be harder to autosex, i would think, then it may be that the numbers of white sports being mistaken or handled as males in this breed might result in them being under reported.

Id be intersted to know how often other barred breeds throw these white sports as it has been reported in many of them.

As I understand the white sport it is simply a recessive white gene.

To me that makes sense. I did not get any white sports last year. Last year was the first year I bred my birds. I had 2 hens and a rooster. This year I kept 7 hens (one original and 6 babies). and one rooster.


One of my original three had the recessive gene. In 25% of his/her offspring would have the gene, in a recessive position.

This year I have 2 birds with recessive genes breeding, Giving me 25% of their offspring as white sports.

I assume it is mother/son , but I could be wrong. if the rooster had the white sport gene 2 of my young would have the gene as a recessive, I am not getting the whites on a high enough number this year for that to be the case.

If you take 7 birds and one egg a day, in the perfect world,. that is 28 eggs a week. I set once a week, I get one white a week basically so only one hen is giving me the egg with a white in it. I have my birds separated into 2 groups in hopes of figuring out who gives it to me. I now mark the eggs group 1 or 2.


Of course, if I am right and my mother/son pair give me the whites I will get more next year as the offspring of theirs will have the recessive gene.

And if you're right it is several genes, I am screwed and have no idea what is happening..LOL