Creating the MF Pattern

[Msbear]

It depends if the other color is recessive or dominant. If you cross with dominant black, you will wind up with black chicks that carry MF.. when you breed the siblings together, you will start getting back some mf. I think white works the same way. Buff, however, would be your best option. This will give you buff mottled with some black. You could probably line breed from there.

I love thinking I am right... though that is not always the case.. Im sure Tadkerson or Henk can set me straight

 

[amazondoc]

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That depends on the genetics of your black, white, and buff birds.

If your black bird is an extended black (E), then the offspring will all be black.

If your bird is a dominant white, then the offspring might be white patterned mille fleur -- but that depends on what other genes your white bird has.

If your bird is recessive white, then the offspring could be a lot of things -- depending on what other genes your white bird has.

If your bird is buff, I *think* you'll get a mix of buff Columbian colors (black-tailed buff, brown-tailed buff, stuff like that).

 

[Goose and Fig]

Well then- I'll just have to get a few and experiment! My poor little buff cochin roo is not the dominant one. I bet he'd looooove a little MF hen to call his own!

 

[amazondoc]

You're not terribly far from me.....check back in a coupla months!

 

[tadkerson]

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The dark ones are NOT proper mille fleur. That's what we've been talking about all along. The dark ones are likely to be missing the Columbian gene. As I mentioned earlier, they are therefore likely to be what Henk's chicken calculator calls "black patterned gold wheaten pied/mottled".

As for mille fleur, it can be created on e(b), E(Wh), or e+. As I said many posts ago, my mille fleurs are wheaten based. Thus the yellow down.

If the birds were missing columbian, the females would not have the millie fleur pattern. The male in the picture also has a black head and hackles; this is an indication of a black extender in the birds.

Tim

 

[Krys109uk]

If the birds were missing columbian, the females would not have the millie fleur pattern.

What would you expect a wheaten female with mottling to look like?​

 

[amazondoc]

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Henk's calculator calls birds that are het for Columbian "black patterned gold incomplete-millefleur", and those missing Columbian "black patterned gold wheaten pied/mottled". Do you believe that Henk is mistaken in these descriptions?

As for the black extender -- dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised! It is ONLY apparent in the dark-mottled males, however. Do you know of any sex-linked black extenders?

ETA -- oh, incidentally -- the dark roo pics are actually two different birds, not just one. They are very similar!

 

[Goose and Fig]

You're not terribly far from me.....check back in a coupla months!

You bet I will! I have to get away from this thread- it's making my brain hurt.

 

[tadkerson]

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Henk's calculator calls birds that are het for Columbian "black patterned gold incomplete-millefleur", and those missing Columbian "black patterned gold wheaten pied/mottled". Do you believe that Henk is mistaken in these descriptions?

As for the black extender -- dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised! It is ONLY apparent in the dark-mottled males, however. Do you know of any sex-linked black extenders?

ETA -- oh, incidentally -- the dark roo pics are actually two different birds, not just one. They are very similar!

No research on a gene like the one in your birds. There are plenty of genes floating around in birds that are not documented.

I have no problem with Henks description of the birds.

Here is what a mottled wild type bird would look like.

I imagine the white tips on the feathers would show up on a gold/wheaten background also. Wild type females have a boat load of eumelanin in the feathers stippling so the spangles or mottling shows very well on the wild type primary color.


Tim

 

[Krys109uk]

I've put mottling onto both wild type & plain wheaten. I don't know why, but the black line shows up on both.