Cree Or Crele

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Sometimes. It can also be e^b based.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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I am thinking this cross is how everyone is making the lemon cuckoo right?? A true crele must come from a bb red x bar.

The guy who gave me my Cuckoos said to expect Creles in the initial season first breeding. I will be doing what he says and use them how he recommends.
I can always ask BoB Fellows as well. BoB will know way more then I. He is a wealth of knowledge. And am learning from his expertise. I will ask and see what he says.. He is in Wales right now so it maybe a couple of days till I get an answer. But I will post and ask about IF Cuckoos are used to make Creles, and ask about how he says to make Lemon Cuckoos as well.

I just posted and asked BoB. I will post his reply as soon as he post it.

Even putting BBR aside, creles should be barred, not cuckoo.

 

[Sorin]

Just went to the chicken calculator, wow. I need to learn a lot about genetics before I have a hope understanding that!

 

[tgrlily]

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I know I have a lot to learn. I use it when considering a project to see how difficult it might be. I've actually tried things that had so many results it froze the screen! Needless to say, I'm glad I didn't try them with actual chickens.

 

[lildinkem]

Boggy Bottom Bantams I am working on Orpingtons. BOB has made Crele Orpingtons for a few years that are being widely viewed as Crele.
Maybe it is me but your birds do not look like Crele Orpingtons. They look like a project to me of another breed. IF Bob says it is not possible to make a Crele with what I have, I will be more then happy to tell all here. And still will change not one thing in what I do. I know Buff Orpingtons are one of the most genetically diverse varieties of Orpingtons. Buff is viewed as Red, thus that is why we call it "RED LEAKAGE" as an undesired trait in our Black & Blue Orpingtons and not "BUFF" leakage. I have already bred Buff to Black and have had RED colored feathers come out in their offspring. NOT just BUFF.

Everyone who knows me, will know I show pics of all of my project birds. And I am willing to bet I will make some from these Cuckoos when taken to Buff Orpingtons that look like Crele Orpingtons. Maybe in your mind and others they won't, but to the naked eye they will look alot like Creles.
As you say you don't care what Bob says. Many throughout the UK and the rest of the Orpington world think very highly of Bob and I am one of them.
So if you have made a Crele Orpington please show us.


This is one of Bob's Crele Orpingtons.

I am using my Cuckoos to make more Cuckoos, Red Cuckoos, Lemon Cuckoos an I expect to have some look like Creles too in my F-1's.
I am willing to bet on it!

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

no mine like I said are d'anvers..but the breed has absoultley nothing to do with it, colors are colors they all are made by the same gene or combos of genes. Orp or polsih doesnt matter. Also crele looking is not the same as crele, some of the "looking" birds are just that , a random mix of gene that comes out similar to something but most of the time will never breed true.
Bob's pic you posted does look to be a crele bird. But I promise you he didnt make that off a buff, at least not solely using a buff, there are other things going on there .
If a buff was used, it wouldnt have all those large areas of black barred feathering on it.

Yes barred birds are best to use as well over cuckoos, but when the breed doesnt have barred, you have to use cuckoos, and personally, I have never seen the differnce in the two when used to make creles.

 

[ericsplls]

Bob's orpington is from a barred/cuckoo crossed on a partridge orpington. You will make lemon cuckoo. Partridge coloration is hard to hide so if your buffs are true buff colored the partridge isn't going to show up just because you add cuckoo.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Double factored ones (a chick coming from 2 barred parents) will be nice too, but are a good bit paler.

Is double factored BB (as opposed to Bb) ? BB male would breed *true* with barred hens, but Bb male with barred hens would still give a % non-barred female chicks, right?
Ah, Crele.
Throw in the color and it gets confusing to me. I have Wheaten Barred Serama and Lemon Blue Barred / Brown Red Barred Cochins, but nothing I think is true Crele.
This barred Serama

is *different* from this barred Serama

, but are both Barred Wheaten?

So glad you brought this up, Greg. Questions I've been meaning to ask!

Lisa


Just because your cat had kittens in the oven, that doesn't make them biscuits.​

 

[Whiskey Bay]

I can show you what cuckoo over buff will look like.I have been working on this project for a bit now.

This cock has been brought back over both cuckoo and buff pullets.Resulting in cuckoo and golden (buff) cuckoo,as well as a couple of buffs. Never has there been a 'crele' come out of this breeding. To accomplish that I used Barred over BB succesfully. It's the same thing all of the great breeders and show guys will tell you again and again.The breed of the chicken won't matter if the birds used are true in color and not a product throwoff...

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Barred Buff makes a showy bird!

Lisa