Crime and the economy

[Wifezilla]

I have no insurance and have been through poverty. Still barely above it. My son is disabled. I think I can speak with authority on this subject.

No matter what my need, it still gives me no right to take from anyone else.

Americans are some of the most generous people in the world. Private charitable giving in the US last year was somewhere over 3 BILLION dollars.

The less people have stolen out of their paychecks, the more they are willing to give.

 

[beak]

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That would explain why there are so many people in need. Three Billion is a drop in the bucket for what is actually required. If the top 2% of the country didn't have 60% of the wealth there wouldn't be as much of a problem. Sorry, if it wasn't for the peasants the rich would have nothing. Some of them actually realize that and try to do something about it. Others just keep trying to make their billions in to trillions. They sure know how to pull some peoples strings though.

 

[ksacres]

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While this *might* be true, it still doesn't explain, with any sound premise, why anyone should expect to be entitled to another person's earnings.

If people put half as much energy into improving their current situation as they did trying to figure out how to get what other people have, they'd not have to worry about it in the first place...

 

[horsejody]

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While this *might* be true, it still doesn't explain, with any sound premise, why anyone should expect to be entitled to another person's earnings.

If people put half as much energy into improving their current situation as they did trying to figure out how to get what other people have, they'd not have to worry about it in the first place...

Absolutely.

 

[Wifezilla]

Why are there so many needy people? Maybe because their governments keep deciding they "need" more flights to other countries for "fact finding" missions, fancy suits, regulations and restrictions on farmers and small business, higher taxes, institutionalized corruption, etc...

America didn't become the wealthiest nation in the word by stealing all the wealth from the rest of the world. We created NEW wealth. Other nations have the ability too. It only requires individual freedom and property rights. People who have ZERO change of being anything in their own country come here and thrive. It isn't by accident.

But that takes all the fun out of it for politicians. If they can't play the class envy game, we really don't need them, do we? As long as they can tell some people it is OK to steal from others "for the children" or "for the environment" or for whatever new cause they come up with, they will profit.

And as long as people need politicians to steal for them so they can pretend their hands aren't dirty, I guess they will have steady employment.

 

[quail newbie]

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IMO...I don't believe that and I don't think the people of Iraq or the rest of the world believes it either. Stealing oil is stealing wealth. With that being said I'm going to step away from this discussion. Please don't send me angry pm's. Thanks
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.iranian/2006-05/msg01130.pdf

 

[ksacres]

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We pay for the oil. We don't steal it. If anything we are funding THEIR wealth.

I don't PM. It's against my "dump truck" method of dealing with people.

 

[rizq]

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I have a HUGE problem with that right there. Nobody should be FORCED to BUY a healthcare plan. There are many wealthy people who choose to self insure and are perfectly capable of doing such. There are many other people who would likely fall above the "free" category but still struggle to pay what the government determines they can afford.

I used to struggle and work my self-employed butt off to buy insurance. Then I was injured and had to close my business. This resulted in over a year of nearly complete unemployment and going to school for a new career. Fortunately for me, I have family that is willing to help me, I realize not everyone is so lucky.

The last couple years I have been without insurance because I simply cannot afford it because I had very little to no income. I now have a job as an independent contractor, still self employed ... still cannot afford insurance and it may be a year or so before I can. I still live with back and neck issues because I cannot afford the doctor and our low-income clinic here is a joke (depression? just pull your head out and get over it ... you don't need meds! You are probably just a drug seeker anyway) and I won't waste my hard-earned $20 on an office visit there.

I find it tempting to be supportive of subsidized healthcare because it would make things so much easier for me (depending on what the government decided I would be forced to pay). I would not have to suffer from my probable asthma and wonder when it is going to make me pass out and I will have to go to ER. I could be in less pain from my back and neck problems which also cause migraines. I could get an allergy medicine that actually worked. BUT ... I am in agreement that robbing the rich to care for the poor is wrong.

Then again ... if I did not have to pay so much in taxes, I might be able to afford health insurance. I can't get a leg up being I am being taxed right back into poverty.

 

[ksacres]

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PS: Consider the source! Moscow Times? Really?

 

[quail newbie]

I'm Russian