crossing a game rooster with a dominic hen

[centrarchid]

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Both my Dominiques and Sussex are coping with this intense heat better than the games. Maybe the age difference, games are coming eleven weeks old and the others are just over five weeks old.

Ken,

My losses referred to above ended up be caused by impacted crop. Hen kept taking chicks to feeding station where scratch with cracked corn was being applied. Hen started with 14 chicks, 13 game and one 1/2 dominique. Also had some 1/2 dominques and pure dominiques of same hatch date and father or mother (hybrids half-siblings to everybody) hitting the feeding stations. Lost all game chicks but 1/2 and pure dominiques not phase by cracked corn. Either they did not consume larger chunks or more likely they simple could handle it. Doms not toughest birds when it comes to rain, many parasites and certainly predators but when it comes to processing crappy food they are like oppossums.

 

[centrarchid]

F1's cominng along nicely. Two morphs evident in respect coloration of feathers. Comb variations previously mentioned but not shown.

Target Cross (Dominique Hen x American Game Rooster)

Dark Male

Ringed Male

Brown Bleeding Through Female

Black Female

Reciprical cross (American Game x Dominique)

 

[carsNchickens]

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i know these breeding pictures are a few months old but let me say WOW! that made an EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE STAG!
i have some dom hens and would love to breed a stag like this. Chris09 if you could help and merely fill me in on this impressive feat i will reffer to you as "the Man" for ever and always on BYC.

 

[Chris09]

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i know these breeding pictures are a few months old but let me say WOW! that made an EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE STAG!
i have some dom hens and would love to breed a stag like this. Chris09 if you could help and merely fill me in on this impressive feat i will reffer to you as "the Man" for ever and always on BYC.

The Dom Stag is nice but I still have some work to do on this line. I would like to eliminate the Silver in the wing bow and in the back and replace it with barring.
I have some of his offspring from a backcross to a American Dominique in the brooder right now (hatched about 3 hours ago) and I hope that the Backcross improved the barring some.

If I had it all to do over again I believe I would use a Black American Gamefowl rooster over a American Dominique hen. In this cross you wouldn't have the large amount of silver showing up through out.

If I were to pass on any tips on this cross it would be to use a -
1 - Black American Rooster over your best American Dominique hen/s
2 - Try your best to use a American Game Rooster that is out of Single Comb breeding's. (Pea Comb or a Single comb that has Pea Comb in its background will give you overly large and or off type combs)
3 - Try not using a Rooster with Gold in its plumage. Barring has a hard time "covering" Gold and there is always a chance of Gold showing up in further breeding's
4 - Have a goal in mind, what are you breeding too? If you are breeding to the American Dominique standard then make sure that each breeding is getting closer to that standard.
5 - Never breed birds that you do not like the appearance of. If you do not like the appearance of the parents the the chances are goo that you are not going to like the appearance of there offspring no matter how good they look.

I hoe this helps.

Chris

 

[centrarchid]

My attack is somewhat different. I have three strains of American dominiques, each represented by three of best hens I could acquire. All three hens of each strain are being mated for one month to roosters of either an American game, California grey or Icelandic. This done so that by end of summer all three Dominique strains will be mated to all three rooster breeds. These are my F1’s. Solid black pullets with proper rose comb will be selected as brood stock for next year. Three of those pullets as derived from each cross will be mated to best crossed males with respect to comb quality and type. Again matings will be done in sequence so each female will be mated to best male of each cross. Males will be selected most strongly for type owing to need for fewer individuals. Resulting offspring of these crosses will be my F2’s. At this point some pullets will be barred and at least some males from all crosses will be homozygous for barred pattern. Now rose comb, type and coloration will be considered in selecting brood stock. Subsequent generations will be made of similar rotated crosses with selection being consistent. Over time coloration other than shades of grey will be eliminated. Feathering of game will be selected for, even if birds appear smoky but this may not be owing to luck of game used in original crosses. After I am satisfied with comb, coloration and type it is hoped enough genetic variation from California grey and Icelandic’s remains to enable more rigorous selection for free range performance. I will be using what is called family selection once production becomes major concern. Process is slower (minimum of 20 generations planned for selection) but will conserve genetic variation at least as well as line breeding does and enables selection for change at least as well as inbreeding does. For my efforts to work, a lot more breeders needed for each generation so feed bill will be higher.

My birds will be smaller than birds that take ribbons at show but will have functional flight feathers, better constitutions in respect parasites and dealing with free range foraging, and be able to fly well enough to be measurable more capable of surviving predator pressure than doms not of my breeding.

 

[phasianidae]

Centrarchid, sounds like a good plan, what strain of Icelandic are you using?

 

[centrarchid]

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I do not know strain / lineage, only individual that appears very much involved with Icelandic conservation effort. I will ask for more details soon as need for rooster upcoming soon. Balance of crosses on ground.

 

[carsNchickens]

thanks Chris your help is much appreciated

i have just bought a great looking Hatch American game he does not have any gold on him but he does like you suggested have dominantly black as well as the typical deep copper of the Hatch. i plan on starting to breed him with my 6 month old doms today but i will only be hatching from my best dom or two depending on how many she lays. if i post some pics of my doms could you and some other guys fill me in on if these are suitable and which one or two to focus my efforts towards?

Also, i have a Hatch hen who's feathering is equally if not better than her roo counterpart. I have access to an American Dominque rooster. my second question to you guys is would it be worth getting this Dom roo and breed it soley with my one game hen? would this produce a dominque like game? if so that would be ok with me.

i am looking for a stag that looks like a dominque but has game like attributes but none of the feathering. attributes like tail feather angle, body build, and attitude.
i am also looking for a dominque hen that would be more broody as well as have more of the black that comes from the game. although as long as the hen is attractive and maintains the majority of the dom's feathering i will be VERY happy.

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i know these breeding pictures are a few months old but let me say WOW! that made an EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE STAG!
i have some dom hens and would love to breed a stag like this. Chris09 if you could help and merely fill me in on this impressive feat i will reffer to you as "the Man" for ever and always on BYC.

The Dom Stag is nice but I still have some work to do on this line. I would like to eliminate the Silver in the wing bow and in the back and replace it with barring.
I have some of his offspring from a backcross to a American Dominique in the brooder right now (hatched about 3 hours ago) and I hope that the Backcross improved the barring some.

If I had it all to do over again I believe I would use a Black American Gamefowl rooster over a American Dominique hen. In this cross you wouldn't have the large amount of silver showing up through out.

If I were to pass on any tips on this cross it would be to use a -
1 - Black American Rooster over your best American Dominique hen/s
2 - Try your best to use a American Game Rooster that is out of Single Comb breeding's. (Pea Comb or a Single comb that has Pea Comb in its background will give you overly large and or off type combs)
3 - Try not using a Rooster with Gold in its plumage. Barring has a hard time "covering" Gold and there is always a chance of Gold showing up in further breeding's
4 - Have a goal in mind, what are you breeding too? If you are breeding to the American Dominique standard then make sure that each breeding is getting closer to that standard.
5 - Never breed birds that you do not like the appearance of. If you do not like the appearance of the parents the the chances are goo that you are not going to like the appearance of there offspring no matter how good they look.

I hoe this helps.

Chris

 

[chickendales]

my freind hatch so dom\\phinx crosses they where lovely

 

[centrarchid]

carsNchickens,

I accidently made a single game x dominique cross. My terminology always has dam (female parent first). Specimen is being called a reciprocal cross as it is the opposite of desired cross. The reciprocal cross is last image in post #72. It is a female going into second feather set so adult coloration not yet realized. It is apparent that direction of cross influence more than just barring since pullet shown does not look like male or female versions of original cross which is repressented by 50 birds of similar age. Crosses compared derived from parents that are full siblings so cross direction

If looking for barred pattern already in game and if you have a little money to spend then see following website.

http://www.jblfarm.com/dom.htm

I spoke to Jerry a couple times. He is fun to talk to and he very knowledgeable to boot. I think his birds have more Assil in their background than typical of most American games. Would be logical in part owing to his being in Texas where birds of such breeding are likely to be more heat tolerant.

They have pure games with barring, most are creely with a few barred without color popping up occasionally. I think his games are game.

Another source is Cackle Hatchery.

http://www.cacklehatchery.com/oldenglishgamepage.html#spang

They are a hatchery bred line of games with all of management headaches typical of games yet they are not likely to be consistently game as measured in standard manner.