CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

[snowbird]

Walt, Just wondering if the Board had any thought about changing the wording for the wing and tail feathers. SOP says Black and white. I believe it would be easier if it were worded like the other group and say" black with white spangle." I think this would eliminate a lot of the unwanted white wing and Tail feathers. Not saying the SOP is wrong just needs to be worded a little better.

 

[fowlman01]

Walt, Just wondering if the Board had any thought about changing the wording for the wing and tail feathers. SOP says Black and white. I believe it would be easier if it were worded like the other group and say" black with white spangle." I think this would eliminate a lot of the unwanted white wing and Tail feathers. Not saying the SOP is wrong just needs to be worded a little better.

Send me a PM about it or better an email and I will pass it on to the committee.

w.

 

[3riverschick]

Quote: What breed and variety are we discussing here?
Thanks,
Karen

 

[snowbird]

What breed and variety are we discussing here?
Thanks,
Karen

Karen, The SS and I had brought this up with Walt last year.

 

[3riverschick]

Quote: Ok, so you are referencing SOP Page 104 SS- "Male: Tail: Main Tail Feathers-- black and white"?
Dos it make difference whether you use spangle or "tipped"? They are 2 different things.
Best,
Karen

 

[snowbird]

Karen, The wing and tail should say spangled.

 

[math ace]

The problem we ran into on the Show Quality SS thread is that the standard leaves "black and white" open to interpretation. Individuals were thinking any amount of white would be acceptable.

 

[3riverschick]

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I see. The reason I was asking is because I see many people use the word "spangling" to describe everything about the speckles on the Speckled Sussex. However, much of the description includes "speckling", tipping", "dot". From what I have seen in the books, "spangling" seems to describe a larger white tip than , "speckling", tipping", or "dot". We see so many Speckled Sussex which seem to be Spangled all over. I worry if the description gets changed, we will only see more of it. I wonder if the width of the black band on the feather is directly related to the area occupied by the "speckle" . In the 2010 SOP, there is a reprint of a classic article on the Speckled Sussex by a veteran breeder. He states the black bar should be 1/4 inch wide. If the width of the black bar is related to the size of the white speckle, then it seems to me the white tip is more properly termed a speckle. dot or tip, than a spangle. I see the SOP uses the term spangle on the wings. I wonder why? Is it because the feather is bigger and longer, therefore the tip is bigger, and better termed a spangle?

 

[Pozees]

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I see. The reason I was asking is because I see many people use the word "spangling" to describe everything about the speckles on the Speckled Sussex. However, much of the description includes "speckling", tipping", "dot". From what I have seen in the books, "spangling" seems to describe a larger white tip than , "speckling", tipping", or "dot". We see so many Speckled Sussex which seem to be Spangled all over. I worry if the description gets changed, we will only see more of it. I wonder if the width of the black band on the feather is directly related to the area occupied by the "speckle" . In the 2010 SOP, there is a reprint of a classic article on the Speckled Sussex by a veteran breeder. He states the black bar should be 1/4 inch wide. If the width of the black bar is related to the size of the white speckle, then it seems to me the white tip is more properly termed a speckle. dot or tip, than a spangle. I see the SOP uses the term spangle on the wings. I wonder why? Is it because the feather is bigger and longer, therefore the tip is bigger, and better termed a spangle?

I am interested in how this evolves. I have been under the impression the word Spangle referred specifically to a white tip separated from the rest of the feather by a black band narrower than the white. This leaves interpretation wide open for how much white there should be.

I would post pics of my Tony chicks but they are only 2 months old and still in very juvenile feathering. I can try to snap a few anyway if you want to see them at this age. I can also snap a couple of pics of my hatchery hens for comparison, if you like. They have pinched tails, and one's tail is almost completely white, she has more white throughout her body, and we call her Blondie.

 

[snowbird]

I am interested in how this evolves. I have been under the impression the word Spangle referred specifically to a white tip separated from the rest of the feather by a black band narrower than the white. This leaves interpretation wide open for how much white there should be.

I would post pics of my Tony chicks but they are only 2 months old and still in very juvenile feathering. I can try to snap a few anyway if you want to see them at this age. I can also snap a couple of pics of my hatchery hens for comparison, if you like. They have pinched tails, and one's tail is almost completely white, she has more white throughout her body, and we call her Blondie.

The Black Bar is not associated with the Wing and Tail feathering. If we notice there are V-shaped and Diamond-Shaped Spangles on the SS. The white feathers in the wing and Tail are included in the Male and Female. These white feathers should be considered a DQ if we are going by the APA SOP.

Most of the pinched tails in the SS are caused by the Back being to narrow and tapering off near the beginning of the tail.