Cuckoo Ameraucanas

[tgrlily]

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I can grow you one!

I have a ton of White Ameraucana chicks right now. He'll have a full harem of White Amer girls by next spring. Right now since he only has one, I put the Wheaten girls in with him to experiment.

Oh I see how it is. I can loan you my hen but you won't loan your roo. I get it now. I really don't want it anyhow.

I'm sure I'll have a back-up roo. I usually keep an extra of each variety. The difference is -- I need my roosters during breeding season to have fertile eggs! You weren't breeding your girl when I borrowed her. I can loan him or a back-up, but not while I need them.

 

[rancher hicks]

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I'm not sure what you mean by "inacting that gene". I was also wondering if once the line was developed the APA would allow a different standard for the Barred Ameraucana Breed. They might just consider it another breed like the White Rhode Island Red. From what I've learned the two are not related. A consistent breeding of Barred Ameraucanas could have a different standard than other types and colors.

So tgrlily what do you think of my EE? What Ameracuana do you have that has the barring gene? Is it a roo?

Jean Ribbecks whites have the barring gene and I was tossing around doing the Barred and Mahogany Ameraucanas BUT there are alot of obstacles to over come when it comes to those two colors. They can carry the gene without expressing it. by inacting the gene so to speak your allowing it to express itself and when it does that is when it messes with the leg color.

"... it has been demonstrated that the sex linked barring gene prevents dermal melanin, so would be shocked if your birds had slate legs. It is possible they have some dark pigment in the epidermis (outside layer of skin) but that is not the same as slate. ..." --- Mike Gilbert on the ABC Forum on a thread started by Anne Foley regarding Cuckoo Ameraucana projects

"...What you see is dark pigment in the epidermis. The males will not have this, or at least as much of it. This is no different than the pigment you would see in a barred rock pullet, except the epidermis also contains yellow...." --- Mike Gilbert on the ABC Forum on a thread started by Anne Foley who had some Cuckoo project Ameraucana LF.

"The Standard's range for shank color includes slate, dark slate, very dark slate and black. If you can get a barred, cuckoo or other variety to breed true for any type of true slate (from light to dark) or black shanks I would think you have a viable variety. "--- John Blehm on the same thread.

I'm not being a downer or annoying but its really just not possible. I would LOVE to do it too but there is just really no way. I don't thing that you could make a new breed out of them either. Maybe Cuckoo Araucanas which they already have but I don't think they breed them steadily.

That's not for you to say... However I have no intention of working on this, but i will say that every breed at one time or another was not accepted by the APA or the ABA. Things can change. I'm not saying it will in my life time but it is possible. As for it not being possible miracles can happen. No one can say for sure what crosses will trigger what change. Many breeds were combination of many other breeds weren't they. How many breeds went into the Delaware. What breeds went into creating the Dominique and New Hampshire? With the right combination you might just get those slate legs. Or the ABA might, years down the road decide to make the exception. After all are Lavender orps recognized? Porcelian silkies?

I'm not saying what I have is the precursor to the Barred Ameracuana I was just showing it for tgrlily's sake. She lives nearby and I thought we might work together if she thought my hen might help her out. I don't really care one way or the other.

 

[TK Poultry]

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Jean Ribbecks whites have the barring gene and I was tossing around doing the Barred and Mahogany Ameraucanas BUT there are alot of obstacles to over come when it comes to those two colors. They can carry the gene without expressing it. by inacting the gene so to speak your allowing it to express itself and when it does that is when it messes with the leg color.

"... it has been demonstrated that the sex linked barring gene prevents dermal melanin, so would be shocked if your birds had slate legs. It is possible they have some dark pigment in the epidermis (outside layer of skin) but that is not the same as slate. ..." --- Mike Gilbert on the ABC Forum on a thread started by Anne Foley regarding Cuckoo Ameraucana projects

"...What you see is dark pigment in the epidermis. The males will not have this, or at least as much of it. This is no different than the pigment you would see in a barred rock pullet, except the epidermis also contains yellow...." --- Mike Gilbert on the ABC Forum on a thread started by Anne Foley who had some Cuckoo project Ameraucana LF.

"The Standard's range for shank color includes slate, dark slate, very dark slate and black. If you can get a barred, cuckoo or other variety to breed true for any type of true slate (from light to dark) or black shanks I would think you have a viable variety. "--- John Blehm on the same thread.

I'm not being a downer or annoying but its really just not possible. I would LOVE to do it too but there is just really no way. I don't thing that you could make a new breed out of them either. Maybe Cuckoo Araucanas which they already have but I don't think they breed them steadily.

That's not for you to say... However I have no intention of working on this, but i will say that every breed at one time or another was not accepted by the APA or the ABA. Things can change. I'm not saying it will in my life time but it is possible. As for it not being possible miracles can happen. No one can say for sure what crosses will trigger what change. Many breeds were combination of many other breeds weren't they. How many breeds went into the Delaware. What breeds went into creating the Dominique and New Hampshire? With the right combination you might just get those slate legs. Or the ABA might, years down the road decide to make the exception. After all are Lavender orps recognized? Porcelian silkies?

I'm not saying what I have is the precursor to the Barred Ameracuana I was just showing it for tgrlily's sake. She lives nearby and I thought we might work together if she thought my hen might help her out. I don't really care one way or the other.

I was just saying that the slate color is not possible because of the sexlink barring and the ABC won't allow it. You read what Jean said. You would have to make it a new breed not a new variety of Ameraucana. It would be cool and I thought about it as well. Its just not a viable variety and I wanted to make that clear. Not to provoke hostilities however. Not my intent at all. You could instead make the barred pattern like Campines and Fayoumis and get slate legs and get through the voting process of the ABC.

 

[tgrlily]

I'm confused. What color would you call Wheaten& Blue Wheaten Ameraucana legs? Because it's lighter than slate.

BTW -- I was working on it for fun & because I had only the one White Ameraucana girl for Gandalf.... I didn't want her to get over-used. At this point, the only Ameraucanas I'm sure of keeping are the Whites. I'll breed the Lavender/wheaten F1 chicks I have to see if I hit it. If so, I'll keep them.... if not, they go.

Other than that, I'm shifting my focus to Dorking preservation.

 

[TK Poultry]

They are in the slate family. The genes that go with wheaten I can only assume have an effect on that.

 

[tgrlily]

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Then wouldn't a color "in the slate family" be achievable with a barred Ameraucana?

 

[TK Poultry]

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Then wouldn't a color "in the slate family" be achievable with a barred Ameraucana?

no because in wheatens you can still have dermial melanin in sexlinked barred Ameraucanas you will only get a dark epidermis. not the same. the sexlink gene prohibits dermial melanin.

here is a quote from the ABC Forum " it has been demonstrated that the sex linked barring gene prevents dermal melanin, so would be shocked if your birds had slate legs. It is possible they have some dark pigment in the epidermis (outside layer of skin) but that is not the same as slate." -- Mike Gilbert

"The Standard's range for shank color includes slate, dark slate, very dark slate and black. If you can get a barred, cuckoo or other variety to breed true for any type of true slate (from light to dark) or black shanks I would think you have a viable variety." --- John Blehm on the same subject

Blacks usually have black legs; Wheatens are slate.

 

[tgrlily]

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Then wouldn't a color "in the slate family" be achievable with a barred Ameraucana?

no because in wheatens you can still have dermial melanin in sexlinked barred Ameraucanas you will only get a dark epidermis. not the same. the sexlink gene prohibits dermial melanin.

here is a quote from the ABC Forum " it has been demonstrated that the sex linked barring gene prevents dermal melanin, so would be shocked if your birds had slate legs. It is possible they have some dark pigment in the epidermis (outside layer of skin) but that is not the same as slate." -- Mike Gilbert

"The Standard's range for shank color includes slate, dark slate, very dark slate and black. If you can get a barred, cuckoo or other variety to breed true for any type of true slate (from light to dark) or black shanks I would think you have a viable variety." --- John Blehm on the same subject

Blacks usually have black legs; Wheatens are slate.

Well, good thing I was only playing with them then. Because I hate banging my head against a brick wall.

 

[rancher hicks]

Are you talking of just specific colors of Ameracuanas? Couldn't you use the black to get the color into the pool for a barred amer? Certainly a mutation is possible. My sister in law is a mutant and everyone else is fine.

 

[tgrlily]

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