d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[speckledhen]

Oh, good, glad you have a dark one for your breeding projects! I do so appreciate your offer of a home for Rusty, I really do. Thanks again.

I just sold a set of D'Anver eggs tonight as well as found Rusty a home. Turns out two different folks who were coming up from Dawsonville, one for eggs and one for Rusty, knew each other, so the lady who wanted hatching eggs (coincidentally, named Amy) took Rusty back for the other BYC member and saved her a trip. Should be lots of new little D'Anvers in the N.GA mtns soon, including the 15 I have in my own bator on Day 10 tomorrow. Rusty will have three girls of his very own, no sharing. He ought to be quite pleased with that.

 

[speckledhen]

Let me see if I have my genetics correct here on the Mille Fleur D'Anver x Lavender Cochin or the Porcelain D'Anver x Lav Cochin crosses. I have only two of the original five eggs from my Cochin in there--the other three weren't fertile, can you believe that, with 4 little roosters after her all the time?? She must have clamped down her tail like the diva she is or her fluff was getting in the way.

So, here are my dumb questions for you:

Mille fleur x lav = lav mottled or porcelain? Porcelain x Lav = what?

Is isabel like porcelain without the spots? Or am I off base about that?


They'd most likely have rose combs, though, right? That is usually dominant, if I recall, from my Wyandotte info.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Aubrey can tell you for sure but I think any thing that you cross with lav will result in black chicks unless what you cross with it is split to lav. Then you get some lavander chicks. The porcelain X lav should give you lav split to mottled. That is what I am getting out of porcelain x lav. Not sure about isabel but I think it is that wheat color that you see on porcelains.

But I would wait and see what Aubrey says.

jj

 

[speckledhen]

Ok, so I had my first equation and second one mixed up, if you're correct, JJ. Of course, I have no idea which male sired Shadow's chicks in those eggs, the porcelains or the mille fleurs.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

look at my girl, selling the ol TR and eggs and Lord help us, doing genetics!!!


Yep Cyn,
any time you cross lavender to a non lavender, all the first chicks will be black, split for lavender and whatever other genes they had

so the mille to lav the first time is just gonna be black, the mottling also is recessive just like lavender, and the buff columbian pattern would come out til the back cross to a mille again or to siblings

now if you breed these black back together or yes you will get lavender mottled, mottled, lavender, mille, porcelain...all kindas of stuff, because you will be working with 2 recessive genes, some will get the two copies of one or the other, some will get both, some will be split, some will be columbian pattern etc.... that cross can make all sorts of stuff

porcelin x lavender, like JJ said will be lavender split for mottled the first time because both parents have lavender in them
so if it's black it's a mille cross, if it's lavender it's a porcelain cross.

This time, if you breed the siblings back together, you will get lavender mottled pretty easily, as well as a shot for more porcelains. It'll be more predictable due to the lavender being solidified and you'll just be working with the mottled gene and the columbian pattern.

The isable color... in short, it's just a glorified European name for a lavedner based bird to me. I have failed to see any difference... they are just the various patterns in lavender...so pretty much a porcelain could be called an isabel mille fleur

 

[speckledhen]

Quote: Hehehe, I'm dangerous now, ain't I?

Thanks for the clarification on the colors there, Aubrey. Now, I have to settle in and Sounds like with my Lav Cochin in the mix, I'll have a colorful bantam coop.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Just put this weeks eggs in the hatcher, there's only 6 but one of them is out of my silver quail pen. Hope I get another blue one. Of the rest 2 are out of my good millies, two out of my split millie x porcelain,and one lav x porcelain.

Aubrey, my two blue silver quail chicks are starting to show the quail lacing so they are pullets. A cockrel would have only one silver gene so will they show red or gold when they start to feather?

jj

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yep JJ
the way you bred them, if they are silver quail, they are pullets always. Silver male to gold /red hen is a sex link flip flop on the sexes of colors of sorts , the males will be yellow/gold and the hens silver...you should be able to tell at or close to the hatch.

It's just like a gold duckwing, the yellow gold is a male only color, you'll never have a hen that color. Look at a gold duckwing hen... there is no such thing even though they call them that...it's just a silver duckwing.... Pretty much the males like this are usless for much of anything. You could play around with them if you like, but gold males and silver hens is all you'll ever end up with from them.

Same thing on all patterns...


Do like I plan now, take these blue silver hens back to your silver male next year and you'll finish up the blue silver project and get you some males. You'll also have a partial unrelated line of silvers then too.


My silvers arent laying yet so I plan to put a dun quail and a blue quail hen in the pen to start on those myself this week.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Hehehe, I'm dangerous now, ain't I?

Thanks for the clarification on the colors there, Aubrey. Now, I have to settle in and Sounds like with my Lav Cochin in the mix, I'll have a colorful bantam coop.

terrifying!!!


But yep with him in there, over the next couple years it definitely will make a mix of colors

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Do like I plan now, take these blue silver hens back to your silver male next year and you'll finish up the blue silver project and get you some males. You'll also have a partial unrelated line of silvers then too.

That is my plan, my silver male has a good bit od red leakage on the wings. I think I am going to try and find a cleaner looking one to finish up with. But if not , I guess you got to run what you brung.

jj