d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

you know Cyn, I never realized Amprolium wasnt a sulfa based drug, just always figured it was too...learn something new every day.

yes the lab here too also said to double the bottle dose too. They said what they recommend really doesnt do much but help as a preventative. Said to use the treatment dose as a preventative and double it for treatment. That helped a lot on this oddball strain I had going.


Cole,
they are looking pretty good. The mille already has fair mottling on him, they dont get full blown mille looking til their first adult molt, and best after they are 2.

they look very fat and healthy too!! Glad to see that.

The brown red is still a brown red, just has that off red breast is all, but looking good so far with them

 

[4hchickmama]

Question...aren't the terms "Lavender" and "Self blue" used interchangably? And that color is accepted by the APA for d'Anvers right? I entered a little pullet for my daughter in the fair as a "Lavender d'Anver Pullet" and she was docked points because according to the judge she was "not a recognized color variety." Just wondering if I am mistaken or the judge was. I'm new to this, but I wouldn't have entered her if I knew her color wasn't accepted. And if I just used the wrong word to describe her color...I would have thought they would just correct me.

 

[speckledhen]

Well, some folks are really weird about using the term lavender, though self-blue and lavender are the same color. Self blue is usually what it's called in this breed, as far as I know. Maybe he was being a tad snooty about it, or maybe you have to use the exact right term, according to the breed standard when showing, I don't know. I don't show myself.

The 15 recognized varieties are, according to what I read: Quail, Black, Self Blue, Blue, Mottled, Cuckoo, Mille Fleur, Blue Quail, Buff, BBR, Porcelain, White, Colombian and Buff Colombian, Splash.




New pics of the five 10 week old pullets, as well as I could take them with Aubrey trying to attack me because I was holding a camera (he's the same if I bring a phone into the coop/pen

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In the first pic, the really dark tailed one on the upper right is the heating pad chick, Heather, then on the left with Kentucky Leg Fungus, Hannah, the two I'm keeping. The other three are being sold, along with Mina, Opal (who is broody as heck) the Coch'Anver, Aubrey and Ace.

I lost the mother of all the Coch'Anvers yesterday, my 4 1/2 yr old banty Cochin hen, Shadow. No idea why, but seemed to be a stroke. She was over her molt, in good weight, but went downhill very fast. We're in shock because she was really a favorite around here, the head hen in the bantam pen.









In this last photo, bottom right, you can see Penny became very, very white around her head after her first big molt. That's Mina in the middle and Misty, the Coch'Anver pullet I'm keeping on the left.

 

[2StrayRoos]

Thought I let you know what a week I have had. I lost two of my Anvers and possibly another one. I don't know if they caught a respiratory infection from my rooster or if it is Mareks. My rooster free ranges he has never been in the pens, he is a Lakenvelder kinda skiddish he was a stray. My dog-cat vet prescribed Tylan and he is now better. When I came home from work Sunday my lightest colored Anver was panting, breathing a little hard. I thought maybe it was the heat pretty humid that day here. She would stay under the coop and all the rest were by her side like they knew something was wrong. She came out to eat a little bit of treat I made for them but would still pant in between. I picked her up and she stopped but was breathing harder than the others still. That night I checked on her in the coop and found her dead. I wish I had brought her in but I didn't have any thing to put her in because I have a sick one in my pet taxi showing the same symptoms that my crossbeak showed, can't stand, walk no use of the wings except to balance herself and her head is tilted to one side. She is sitting up now with her legs in front or one off to the side and the other one underneath. She eats and drinks but I have to help stable her. Reminds me of inner ear problems. I had a Collie who had old dog disease and the head tilts to one side and has no balance, she lived to be 15. I had to give her motion sickness pills. Then if this won't enough I lost my little crossbeak on Tues. I don't know what happened there. I had her walking and running again, she couldn't fly yet. She always ate good because we trimmed and filed her beak regularly. Tues. she wouldn't come out of the coop and couldn't stand good. I found a box for her being she couldn't fly she stood up and put her head in her wing and went to sleep for a long time. I couldn't get her to eat or drink anything that day. I did get her vitamins in her that I gave her every day still. Later that afternoon she stretch straight out head to one side and her body shooked. I picked her up and her little head was like a rag doll. She later died in my arms. I then knew I got something serious going all out of 4 birds I only have 1 left. I called my Agriculture Ext. Agent to go about the proper way to send a bird for a necropsy, for I have to mail mine because I live too far from the nearest lab. I have everything ready to go except little Eva is still hanging on and putting up a fight. My question is do you think there is some antibiotic that I might can try to help her? What if it is not Mareks and something treatable. We are going to TSC and I know they have antibiotics there. I just don't know what to get and how much to give. We did bleached everything after Pippa died. I am so heartbroken over all of this for I was so looking forward to raising these birds. They were 3 months old so they each had their own little personalities. I just don't know what to do. I could really need some advice. Thanks

 

[speckledhen]

Personally, I would not treat it. If it's contagious, you'll only have a carrier bird left, most likely. I'd get the necropsy done by the state vet and see what you're dealing with. If you try to treat something blindly, you really have no idea if you're just wasting money or if you'll be treating a bird who'll be left with a compromised immune system.


In my opinion, you should NEVER throw antibiotics at some unknown illness. Could be viral anyway, in which case, antibiotics won't do a bit of good. If you have something bacterial, you'll be left with a carrier bird who can infect any other birds you bring into the flock.

 

[2StrayRoos]

I was afraid of that. I thought the same thing. I have 3 EE's a Japanese and the 1 Anver in that pen. So far so good. I have to keep Eva alive all weekend especially because the lab has to have her within 24 hours to do the test. They are not there and of course no deliverly on weekends. I was just on the NC thread and one is having almost the same stuff going on. What Is Going On! So sorry to hear about your lost. I have cried so much this week I don't have a tear left. Makes me think I got a bad batch of birds. I ordered 6 Anvers 3 bantam EE. Lost 2 of the Anvers one at 5 days old the other 6 days old. Then I got the little crossbeak, who I miss so much and to top that off, my EE are not bantams they are standards, and now this. Out of that order of 9 I have 4 left. They refunded for the crossbeak and the mistake on the EE's. I'm to get 2 standards any time I place another order in the future for free. So far just lost my money on one, maybe two. Oh well, hope things will be looking better soon. I am worn out.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

I am very sorry to hear about everyones chicken losses. Mine are over their latest round of coccidia with no losses. I am a believer in the power of molasses now. Three different rounds of coccidia using it in conjunction with Amprolium with no losses.
Got around to all my pens this weekend and counted my silver quail pullets. I found 22 of them and 12 blue silver quail pullets. Think I will take some of them to the d'Anver national and see if I can trade them for a couple of birds I want for next year.

jj

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yep, like Cynthia was saying, I have to agree, it's best to know what you are dealing with, and in the mean time try to keep everyone seperated from the sick ones. MG is very common this time of year, spreads like crazy too. It can only last for 3 days or so outside of a host bird though, so if you isolate the sick ones quick you may be ok with the others. would be best if you moved the non sick ones to a new pen and let the sick ones stay in the current pen. MG is a very weak celled infection and is pretty easy to kill off, and Like I said, if you miss some, they are dea in 3 days anyway.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM, as Cynthia said, any bird with it, will always be a carrier of it from then on and can and will infect others and will pass it on threw the eggs to her offspring. There is NO cure for it. Most birds dont die from it though unless there's other infections or complications mixed in with it. They usually get over it in 2-3 weeks. The antibiotics basically help prevent other infections while the immune system is compromized from the MG infection.

Signs of it are swollen eye, head shaking, sneezing, mucus, etc, pretty much our same basic cold symptoms.

I however have never heard of the lamness and all you discribed from just a MG infection. That is usually associated with Marek's Disease. Unfortunately, Bird who have contracted it almost always die, and I dont believe there is anything treatment wise other than vaccines as a preventative.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Question...aren't the terms "Lavender" and "Self blue" used interchangably? And that color is accepted by the APA for d'Anvers right? I entered a little pullet for my daughter in the fair as a "Lavender d'Anver Pullet" and she was docked points because according to the judge she was "not a recognized color variety." Just wondering if I am mistaken or the judge was. I'm new to this, but I wouldn't have entered her if I knew her color wasn't accepted. And if I just used the wrong word to describe her color...I would have thought they would just correct me.

yes you are dead on, they are the same color. Lavender is the gene name for what is most commonly called self blue here in America. In Europe, they are just called lavender, though many breeders here (myself included) are now calling them lavender too.

I hate to say it, but your judge was just ignorant and had no business being a judge if he doesnt know that simple fact about lavender/ self blue. Yes the standard list them as self blues, but everyone judging is supposed to know they are one in the same. Truth be known, they most likely have never even seen one outside of a quail.

Hate to hear you got done that way at a show, kinda silly on their part....

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

I am very sorry to hear about everyones chicken losses. Mine are over their latest round of coccidia with no losses. I am a believer in the power of molasses now. Three different rounds of coccidia using it in conjunction with Amprolium with no losses.
Got around to all my pens this weekend and counted my silver quail pullets. I found 22 of them and 12 blue silver quail pullets. Think I will take some of them to the d'Anver national and see if I can trade them for a couple of birds I want for next year.

jj

JJ
Dont be greedy with all those blue silvers!!!