d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[Cetawin]

She's back! She's back! We did miss you on this thread.

You know I was smirking and even chuckled when I read the "Kentucky Leg Fungus" had appeared in Virginia don't you?



Cyn....what the heck am I gonna do with Max? Ack he is making me insane! I do not have time or the patience to continue hurling my tiny body against the wall in front of him to keep the stupid bird from flinging himself into it. His time is running out. Is there such a thing as being too stupid to live...really? I know there are humans with such affliction but I always thoughts my chickens were smarter than those humans.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Well, they were all OK this morning. Maybe, it has turned around and I won't loose any more. I do have 2 dozen silver quail eggs in the hatcher that should start popping tonight.

jj

 

[speckledhen]

JJ, glad you haven't lost any more of them. LH encountered a rare strain of mutated cocci that the vet said came through the egg, of all things! That was so bizarre. Happened with a batch of Columbian Rocks that my friend Scott had, too. The necropsy showed it was cocci right in the brooder, a rare form we don't even have here in GA, came with the chicks right in their eggs.

Cocci sometimes isn't as simple as we think with new mutant unnamed forms showing up in chicks in the brooder on occasion-we know this from necropsies done. With those, they must have a double dose of Corid, not the usual. I've never had that type here, thank goodness, and really haven't had to treat for cocci in quite some time. I thought one batch had it recently, but what I found was obviously only intestinal lining.

I've found the best thing to do is put a pan of dirt from your soil right in the brooder within days of their hatch--my chicks with broodies who get out within a few days on soil never get cocci. Before I started doing that, I had to treat every single batch who hit the ground at a few weeks of age.


LH, as far as Maxwell, I do think some are really too stupid to live, LOL. I had that BR cockerel, Gabriel, who was a complete spazz right from the get-go, highly unusual in a BR chick, never had one like him before or since. He did, as you know, end up becoming extremely aggressive and lost his head, literally, about a year later. He was certainly the exception to the rule for my friendly BR stock.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Cyn- Like everything I run into that I don't know alot about, I have did a pile of research on cocci. My conclusion is all you can do is keep things clean as you can and treat it when it shows up. That is a good tip about the dirt, I will be sure and use it. But if they can have it days before the symptoms show, and medicated feed will keep them from gaining immunity and interfere with vitamin uptake. Options are limited, Just do your best and trat when you have to.

jj

OH, and I went to my other building this morning and found my quail rooster with a blue comb and a hard crop. This just happened overnight be cause he was feeling good when he flogged me last night when I took his waterer out of the cage to wash it. I was going to replace him anyway , but I hate to see them go like that. Better to just fall over dead.

 

[Cetawin]

I have been lucky since that Cocci thing...no other birds have had it. I emptied that coop, hot bleach water scrubbed it and let it dry, then ammonia water scrubbed it, let it dry and then treated it with an anti fungal anti bacterial spray that I use in the horse barn. Crapola is tough and my vet prescribed it for me.

I have not been in the pen o max yet today so we will see.

JJ yay I bet your new have KLF too. Muahahahaha

 

[speckledhen]

.... OH, and I went to my other building this morning and found my quail rooster with a blue comb and a hard crop. This just happened overnight be cause he was feeling good when he flogged me last night when I took his waterer out of the cage to wash it. I was going to replace him anyway , but I hate to see them go like that. Better to just fall over dead.

What an odd coincidence! It can't be the crop is the main issue. Must be the systems begin to shut down inside and the crop is just what we can see from the outside of the bird. Crops stop functioning when something bad is going wrong inside, like my hens with their egg yolk peritonitis, internal laying and ovarian cancers, and even sometimes during a particularly bad molt.

 

[NanaKat]

Fighting Cocci seemes to be the "nature of the beast" when raising poultry.
Even though I use med chick starter and Oxine in their water unless I treat with Corid (cancels each other out), I will still have a low % of chicks that get the "no neck look". It's either a form of cocci or lack of gut bacteria or "failure to thrive". It would also occur in only certain hatches.

Instead of the pan of dirt in the brooder, I have gone to mixing my own concoction for innoculating the chicks and bumping up their gut bacteria:
1 tbs of soil with 2 tbs of yogurt and 3 tbs of chick feed as a mash for the 2 and 3 day old chicks. I feed it once each day.
I sift out the soil and keep it in a pharmacy medicine bottle in the poultry medicine cabinet.

My number of chicks lost has dropped. When one does get the "no neck look", I will offer the mix for the group it is running with and that seems to help....or I have convinced myself it helps.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Lost my quail rooster today, but I knew that was coming this morning. The young ones are doing OK. Have two dozen silver quail and acouple of millies starting to zip now.

jj

 

[Cetawin]

Sorry JJ. I know it bites when you lose them...even if it is not a favorite. I had my round with TSC last year and moldy feed. I lost BOTH my ****** d'Uccle breeding roosters...my beautiful Mille Fleur and my Black split. That is why I have the 4 d'Uccle hens in with My Little Love now...they lost their boys. I lost 3 other girls to the moldy feed but these four survived and are now happy with their d'Anver man.

I swear the longer I keep poultry, the more I love them and the harder it gets when I lose one...especially to something I cannot see, fix or prevent. Poor Rufus gets handled so much he thinks he is a toy...I am constantly watching over him and checking on him...plain ole paranoia that something is gonna happen to him. Yeah yeah I am a softee and I love the little toerag too pieces....I mean heck it took me months to get Cyn to give him up and let me have him. Then she loses her beautiful Angus. Sucks!

 

[Cetawin]

JJ the thing about cocci...the normal 8 or 9 strains, it is in the soil. The sooner they are exposed to it along with their medicated feed, the better their immunity to it is. The junk I had here was limited to five chicks and it was a mutated strain non-existent to Kentucky and transfers within the egg. But I treated everything and scrubbed and cleaned and etc before allowing any other birds in that area and so far so good. My large flock free ranges all over the ground where they played and no issues there either.

I find with my new hatchlings that the sooner I get them on the ground, the fewer cases of it I see. This last hatch was outside before they were 24 hours old...they spend the day in a "sun cage". They also received several days of preventative level corid. So...we look good. I also had no issues with the birds I brought back from Cyn's...they hit the ground here and have had no problems. I also gave them a maintenance level round of Corid anyway.

Really we do the best we can and that is all we can do.