Daughter flogged......ROOSTER DEAD !!!!!!!!

[ChickenAlgebra]

We had a well bred Orp roo. Who was an absolute evil monster. NOTHING nice in that bird at all. No hatchery lines in him. Just plain evil bird. He got to meet my knife and he became enchiladas.

The Orp hens now have a sweet, nice splash JG roo who doesn't meet JG SOP. They produce mutt chickens who are cute, sell like nothing else, and then lay tasty eggs.

But the reality is - as much damage as the hatchery is doing, breeders who are aiming for SOP only are as bad. Because that Orp roo could have easily taken BV repeatedly on type. He was pretty. But I'm not having a pretty mean bird with a 1 y/o in the house. I'll keep my ugly nice bird instead.

 

[pinkwindsong]

any time animals get filled up to the brim with testosterone doesn't matter how nice they are they can change.. I have a Now gelding that has killed 2 other geldings ( when he was still stallion) it took him 2 years to get enough testosterone out of his system to join the herd again.. he has sense split the herd and he has girls and the other gelding has a mare and foal, so far that is working and gonna leave it alone. when he killed the last boy,. my daughter wanted me to shoot him.. as punishment for him hurting Power.. but I told her this is the animal world we can not place human emotions and human ideals of right and wrong on animals. this was natural instinct and it happens.. ( He is the most WONDERFUL people horse. you couldn't ask for better, calmer, sweeter and a better disposition.. this was his saving grace on the farm)

I have bred and trained horses and dogs nearly all my life.. a people animal is a cherished member of the family .. a people aggressive animal.. has to go... Two legs before four legs or feathers,, always.. the chances of them being retrained to become non aggressive is too low and too time and financially consuming for the everyday family.. that Roo had to go..

My cousin's all raised and show 4-h sheep for years. still breed them. one time when my youngest cousin was in the show ring with her ram.. he got aggressive and "rammed her" no broken bones but bruised her and of course she was so embarrassed.. he still placed high ( they have a fantastic breeding program) but when Erin went to sit down with my aunt.. aunt Cathy told her that's ok.. Well have him for dinner sunday night.. That brought a big smile and no more tears to Erin.. and sure enough he was dinner..

We live on farms or in self sefecient homes. our children are learning what most peopleh ave forgotten .. this is life on the farm.. every animal has a place and a reason for being there.. and at times it may be sad but people come first and life will continue..

hugs to your daughter and props to you...

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[speckledhen]

But the reality is - as much damage as the hatchery is doing, breeders who are aiming for SOP only are as bad.

I have to agree with you when it comes to temperament. If a rooster was a carbon copy of the picture in the SOP but flogged me or my DH when we did chicken chores, he'd be gone so that nasty temper woudn't be passed on. That is part of the package and to me, a very important one. You do not have to have a mean rooster for him to be effective in watching over his hens. You just don't.​

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

I took a HUGE step backward in my buff bantam Faverolle breeding project this year because the person that sent them to me sent me a roo she said was "feisty"...he was the number one meanest rooster I have EVER encountered. I could've bred from him and been A LOT farther in my project, but I ate him instead, and started basically at step one with my breeding project by using the absolute sweetest buff Orp roo I could find. His babies are absolutely dolls so far!!

Temperament is definitely something that can and SHOULD be bred for, but is so often overlooked. I have 25+ roosters here at any given time, and I do NOT tolerate bad behavior from any of them.

 

[gmendoza]

DW wont go into the main coop because of "rooster coburn". He hasnt shown me any agressiveness yet.She is skeptical because of our buff orp roo that attacked her,or rir roo that attacked her,and our bared rock roo that attacked her.

Ganerally I give them "kick therapy" if they act up,then its freezer camp if they dont act right.

rooster coburn will be around because he is our only roo thats a dark cornish bulldog.. I need him. He might get alot of kick therapy though...

 

[A.T. Hagan]

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I have to agree with you when it comes to temperament. If a rooster was a carbon copy of the picture in the SOP but flogged me or my DH when we did chicken chores, he'd be gone so that nasty temper woudn't be passed on. That is part of the package and to me, a very important one. You do not have to have a mean rooster for him to be effective in watching over his hens. You just don't.

That's the way I look at it as well.

 

[mikensara]

I would do the same. animals have instincts who knows what could have set your rooster off. Just as we have a dog shes a great family pet but i still wouldnt let kids jump on her and pull on her fur because i only have myself to blame if her instincts take over and she bites someone.

 

[RHRanch]

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Testosterone is a contributing factor, but temperment also has a lot to do with genetics in animals and people. For example, a significant portion of violent men have been found to have the "warrior" agression gene. Does that excuse thier violence, no - but it does explain how certain individuals (animal or human) might be more predisposed to developing agressive behavior if they have this gene or a similar gene and then testosterone is added to the mix. If you think about it, this actually explains the phenomena we are discussing - why do some roos get agressive at puberty, and some don't? Both are exposed to testosterone, but those predisposed to agression probably are more likely to act out. I have great fertility from my roos, but no agression - so they are "manly men" lol

 

[nanawendy]

Oh thanks for your input Speckledhen... we we're scolded for having a father son camp out in our freezer... the scolder said we didn't give the "boys" a chance to prove themselves... CORRECT!!!! I have small grandchildren... It's hard to tell them they can't help tend to the chickens when 1) that is our family rule...all help w/ chores and 2) they really love the chickens.

 

[darkmatter]

I have been hatching my own eggs for a couple decades now and only occasionally bring in pullets to add characteristics I want to my chicken gene pool. Some of my first Roosters exhibited aggressive behavior. They went to Camp Kenmore. All my chickens are now descended from the nice Roosters and I haven't had a problem Rooster for years. I manage them by having several Roosters of different ages. I think the oldest maintains the younger ones in line. Eventually he passes on and the next one assumes the mantle of "Cock-O-the-Walk". I cull the surplus Roosters to maintain the traits I'm striving for in my flock.

Note: Some of my chicken friends report problems with their Roosters when they are all of the same age-----battle for top Roo I think, when there is already a supreme Roo, there's minimum aggression.